pics of the headers i built

[Crimson93Ty]

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http://www.turbomustangs.com/index2.htm
They've got it hacked up so you can't direct link pics. Go to the above url, click on project cars and then click on "Brent's huge HP street car". You'll see the gallery then.
Looks like apples and oranges comparison. This pic looks like the downpipe goes straight down and exits the front of the car. He's not gonna have heat issues like what you're gonna run into. With the way your gonna have to run it to get it out the back, your gonna have to heat soak everything. I think the reason they are telling you sytys are different is the space. GN's have TONS of room up front to get the plumbing away from everything. Our engine bays are cramped in comparison.

 

[TT350]

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My TT set up on a small block.

 

[vortecfiero]

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I gotta say making exhaust manifolds is a challenge to most of the wrenching
and fabricating skills we use.

One of the most satisfying projects was doing mine and the countless changes
to the direction the primarys took was a little tiresum.. but after its all said and
done ... seeing them on the engine... adds OMG factor to the build

 

[nightdiver]

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and here is a pic of a pro turbo kits setup
page down to the modular kits
http://www.forcedinductions.com/MustangPTK.htm

why would it be different from any other car . i have
built s-10's and luv truck's with small and big blocks
with no heating issues . here is a pic of a twin camaro
i did with the down pipes up top - no heating issues
http://www.pro-touring.com/featured...pears_twin_turbo_69_Camaro/ENGINEBUILDING.jpg

i am not being defensive i just don't understand why because it is a
'phoon it is so different .

mike renz: any where i looked to face it forward i had a to fab up a
a filter inlet that i personally did not like and most large turbo'd
trucks have had to ditch the a/c , a ccompromise i didn't want

Our trucks have the steering pump and hoses in a place that the header heat would put them on fire.I use a heat shield for the crossover.
The cruise control actuator has been on fire on a friend Sy with KB headers.
You got to delete the ABS module.
There is so little space between the radiator and the brackets,.....what kind of fan/fans are you going to use ?
You got to cover the turbine or else the alternator will live just a couple days.
Dont be defensive brotha we are just trying to help. My suggestions come from experiense with these MF trucks. I really dont know why but i think that if it was an other truck or car i would have sold it ages ago. I guess its the magic dust they used before they sell these trucks

I made a header for a 4 cyl car(europian) and we ended with 650hp at 28 psi with a T68.
Guess what NO cooling issues. The routing i did goes down with 90* elbows then i used 1.5 inch long pipes , then two 90* elbows end then i did a custom cone to make the T4 flange fit for the .70 turbine. So there is a lot of heat from the headers.The engine works with 165* all the time???????????

Id really love to see your truck with zero problems from rad heat. Keep us posted

 

[Don W.]

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Yup, that engine compartment gonna get real warm. You can wrap the headers, which will help a little.

Solution! Run the turbo outlet up through the hood.

Realy though, quite a project. Hope it works as well as planned. Hats off to ya for tackling that job.

Don

 

[turbotater]

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tt 350 : first time i have seen those pics , awesome job

night diver : for fans i am going to search the salvage
yards for an oem application . i have learned a long time ago
there is no afftermarket electric fans that have the
cooling of some of these oem fans. specifically the
front drive v/6 applications , they are the thinnest and
move the most air i have found yet

your are diffently right about one thing you get sucked into
these trucks , they are an underdog that is only recently
starting to get a racing image

 

[turbotater]

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i added a couple of pics to my photobucket page

 

[Loeryder]

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The Ford Taurus 3.8 fans seem to be popular.
There are some high HP builds running them.

If I went electric it'd be using those fans with Turbotimes thermostat/switch kit and stainless steel rad shroud.

Is your DP going to route staight acros the front of the engine turn and then drop down
- or -
drop down to get it lower across the front then turn to the back?

 

[turbotater]

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loeryder : at this point i am putting it up high to give the
most clearance to the fan shroud i can .
i will have the radiator and fan here this week i hope
and i will know for sure . you would not happen to know
of any pics using the taurus electric fans ?

 

[HotRodV6]

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Looks good so far, very interested in the final results. Good Luck to you and hats off to you for attemping to fab your own setup.

 

[Crimson93Ty]

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Why don't guys do headers like this?

Whenever I see headers, they have tons of twists and turns. On turbo system, everything is pressurised under "performance" conditions anyway, why not just make a straight shot? Just trying to understand.

 

[ghettosled]

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What seems to be popular on the mustangs is taking a set of mass produced shorty headers, flipping them around to face forward and building a Y pipe, and turbo flange. I bet if someone had some expirience with N/A v6 stuff you may be able to find a set of headers that would be close enough to physically bolt on, then just fabricate a crossover to work around the power steering pump, etc. Easier said then done, but i'm sure with the same amount of time and creativity these guys have you may be able to make an affordable header set. The problem with the headers above are the 90 deg restrictions which build up tremendous amounts of heat, and over time will crack. Looks like a pretty clean install though

 

[nightdiver]

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Before i copy Mikes headers i was thinking about this kind of routing with one differance. I would increase the collectors diameter after the second tube and then again after the third one to end up to 50-54mm. Better.....42mm for the nr 6 , then 46mm collector to receive both 6&4 and at the end the 50+mm collector would be perfect for all the gases
I think Waller posted a pic like this from a V8 ages ago. I must have it somewhere.
I went the difficult way cause they say it will build more power like this . We wont find that out till we make a set a try without changing anything else


Im still thinking about this for the TT set up cause there will be LESS HEAT in the engine bay

 

[Syborg Twin Turbo]

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okay how about these

 

[mattw]

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Do you guys think that, in our application, making headers as close to equal length as possible and using a collector makes much of a power difference compared to the manifold style headers that Crimson93Ty posted?

Thanks,
-Matt

 

[myclone]

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What seems to be popular on the mustangs is taking a set of mass produced shorty headers, flipping them around to face forward and building a Y pipe, and turbo flange. I bet if someone had some expirience with N/A v6 stuff you may be able to find a set of headers that would be close enough to physically bolt on, then just fabricate a crossover to work around the power steering pump, etc.

Ive got a set of "tubular manifolds" I pulled off a 4.3 core motor out of an 85 astro van. Ive never seen another set since so maybe it was a first year of the 4.3 deal that GM did :shrug: . Anyways, Ive looked them over and thought about doing just what you mentioned in flipping them around but they are so horribly built as far as flow that youd need to cut them apart, rework them, then reweld them first. A lotta work for not a whole lot of gain IMO and you could have prolly built a set of "real" headers from scratch with a little more effort. I can snap a pic of what I have if it would help anyone but keep in mind Ive never seen another set of them in the bone yard again so finding them may be a challenge.

Why don't guys do headers like this?

Some of us are...

Keep in mind that pic is OLD and Ive gotten a little further along but not a lot since concentrating on other projects. What you only see part of in the pic though is well over 500 bucks in mandrel bends and "donuts" so I completely understand the cost of headers now (not to mention mine are 16 gauge mild steel NOT more expensive stainless). I would easily have a grand in a set of headers just for bends if they were SS and thats not counting flanges and all the other do dads that would be needed. Not to mention that making headers is a HUGE pain in the hind end with all the cutting, fitting, recutting, refitting, etc so when mine are done I never wanna go through making another set.

 

[nightdiver]

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Some of us are...

Thats what im talking about. I do prefer the tubes to go straight up, far away from the spark plugs though

 

[myclone]

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Some of us are...

Thats what im talking about. I do prefer the tubes to go straight up, far away from the spark plugs though

I plan on running the plastic vortec valve covers which would prolly melt as well as plans for swapping lotsa diff ratio rocker arms and valve springs so they are out of the way being under slung. Over slung would prolly be easier to keep the plug wires from burning but I plan on addressing that too when the time comes.