Who owned PAS?

[Syclone#1992]

Too bad Ford voids the warranty on any supercharged Roush! Few years ago thought about getting a F-150 S/C Roush but its gotta be (backed).

You bring up a very good point, GMC backed these vehicles with a warranty regardless of whether PAS did work on them. My understanding is that PAS was contracted through GM and worked hand in hand with them in both designing and producing the GMC Typhoon and Syclone. Just because PAS was contracted through GM, it doesn't mean GM didn't have a say in the design and production of the trucks. Some of the PAS engineers are now GM engineers.

 

[easterisland]

You bring up a very good point, GMC backed these vehicles with a warranty regardless of whether PAS did work on them. My understanding is that PAS was contracted through GM and worked hand in hand with them in both designing and producing the GMC Typhoon and Syclone. Just because PAS was contracted through GM, it doesn't mean GM didn't have a say in the design and production of the trucks. Some of the PAS engineers are now GM engineers.

I agree with that 100%.

 

[ALBERTAN]

Hey it's the EasterBunny! Still pulling your tailgate and gutting your interior to run 13s?

Yup. What is funny about that is I still haven't been beat by any V6 turbo. :roll: I run 13's they must run 14's.

You haven't actually run a turbo V6 yet either... :roll:

BTW, kill any more trannys forgetting to put the drain plug back in yet? And weren't you also the one to ask if the supercharger spins faster when you are in boost or something retarded? I believe that was the story with you. It's not worth my time to go dig it up on NLOC. Point is, don't make me show all the new guys around here what a pinhead you are. Have a nice day. Good luck hitting the 12's. Try pulling the driver's seat and sitting on a milk crate.

 

[JKsSyclone]

easterisland is just a trouble starting, know it all, ass hole Lightning owner that says that the Syclone and Typhoon are not "production" vehicles because "PAS built them, not GM". It funny that you would bring our little discussion over here. I know who this * head is..Ask Jimmy about him. He needs to get a life. Just take youre little "Lightnings rule and everything else sucks" attitude and go f*** yourself.

What is really funny about that is Jimmy came over yesterday and was showing me some dyno runs of his truck at 15psi (no knock with pump gas) and I got along fine with him. 8) I like all kinds of cars not just Fords. I have a couple of Fords at the moment and a Toyota. A couple of years ago I had all GM products. My Lightning is pretty quick at the moment and I am proud of it. I never said your trucks sucked I just disagree with you when you stated that PAS, inc was owned by GM. I came to the source to find out. I did a search and came up with evidence to support me, but I wanted to be sure. Now I am. I hope you are also.

From what i understood GM was the majority owner of PAS. Maybe im wrong...big deal...who cares? Does anybody really know anyways? What does it all really have to do with the fact that SyTy's were production vehicles? Its funny how you try to play the "i like all kinds of fast cars..." crap here. Maybe im wrong...maybe youre a nice guy in person. Who knows? I just know ive been reading your posts here and somewhere else and you come off like a prick.

 

[Mario65]

It doesnt matter, stock Sy's eat stock Lightnings and nothing will change that. I can wait for the Viper Ram pig that runs 13.8's @ $50K.

 

[sy2206]

I am also lost trying to find what it matters who made it? Shelby worked with Dodge back in 84 and 85 to make the GLH Turbo Omni's. In 1986, Carroll Shelby said he wanted to buy the last 500 built. He brought them to his own plant, and worked them over with a handfull of different parts, and they were resold as NEW at select DODGE dealers throught the country. Is that car a production car, yes. Was it entirely built by Dodge, no. Did Dodge have a hand in it, yes. Just like the Sy/Ty's. I guess what I'm getting at is that even if the Sy/Ty's were not built on a GM assembly line, GM had a MAJOR part in making the Sy/Ty project a sucess. Just as Ford has helped Saleen, and Dodge helped Shelby. I doubt that GM owned PAS. I'm guessing that PAS was contacted to carry-out part of the Sy/Ty project or some how, GM and PAS made some sort of a deal to make the Sy/Ty project a reality. What were the terms, we will probably never know. And quite frankly, what difference does it make? Do you think EVERY part of your lighting, or any vehicle for that matter, was built by Ford? I know it's not. So is your lightning really a genuine Ford product? By your logic, no. Even if PAS was contracted to do work for GM on the Sy/Ty's, it's no different than Eaton making the blower thats on your truck. The bottom line is that no matter what make/model of car, there will always be parts and/or labor subcontracted out to other companies. Does that keep it from being a production vehicle, no.

What is funny about that is I still haven't been beat by any V6 turbo. I run 13's they must run 14's.

LOL! The only 14sec Sy/Ty's you're racing are broken ones. I know a handfull of BONE STOCK syclones that I've watched run in the mid-low 13's.

 

[Jimmy]

FWIW easterisland's Lightning runs mid 11's.
http://www.kwikrnu.com

 

[sy2206]

Cool. Wonder why he told us it runs 13's?

 

[easterisland]

You haven't actually run a turbo V6 yet either... :roll:

Yes, I have. :roll:

BTW, kill any more trannys forgetting to put the drain plug back in yet? And weren't you also the one to ask if the supercharger spins faster when you are in boost or something retarded? Good luck hitting the 12's.

Never killed a tranny yet. Never forgot to install any drain plugs. I went to the track 3 times last year. I ran 11's at 123 mph in the quarter last april. My truck hot lapped low sevens at 97mph in the eighth mile. Too bad there are no local daily driven sys that can beat that. I drove my truck over 20K miles last year. It isn't a trailer queen.

It is funny how you guys can't stay on topic. The question was if GM owned PAS or not. Then you get side tracked into bashing me because I have a Lightning. :roll:

 

[easterisland]

Cool. Wonder why he told us it runs 13's?

Albertan said,"Hey it's the EasterBunny! Still pulling your tailgate and gutting your interior to run 13s?" So, I just agreed with him. The videos aren't really my truck. They are someone else's truck. Jimmy doesn't know what he is talking about.

 

[easterisland]

I am also lost trying to find what it matters who made it? Shelby worked with Dodge back in 84 and 85 to make the GLH Turbo Omni's. In 1986, Carroll Shelby said he wanted to buy the last 500 built. He brought them to his own plant, and worked them over with a handfull of different parts, and they were resold as NEW at select DODGE dealers throught the country. Is that car a production car, yes. Was it entirely built by Dodge, no. Did Dodge have a hand in it, yes. Just like the Sy/Ty's. I guess what I'm getting at is that even if the Sy/Ty's were not built on a GM assembly line, GM had a MAJOR part in making the Sy/Ty project a sucess. Just as Ford has helped Saleen, and Dodge helped Shelby. I doubt that GM owned PAS. I'm guessing that PAS was contacted to carry-out part of the Sy/Ty project or some how, GM and PAS made some sort of a deal to make the Sy/Ty project a reality. What were the terms, we will probably never know. And quite frankly, what difference does it make? Do you think EVERY part of your lighting, or any vehicle for that matter, was built by Ford? I know it's not. So is your lightning really a genuine Ford product? By your logic, no. Even if PAS was contracted to do work for GM on the Sy/Ty's, it's no different than Eaton making the blower thats on your truck. The bottom line is that no matter what make/model of car, there will always be parts and/or labor subcontracted out to other companies. Does that keep it from being a production vehicle, no.

The Lightning is assembled at a Ford plant in Canada. Roush mustangs are taken elsewhere and finished just like the BMR firehawk and the PAS,inc syclone and typhoon and Boss F150 from LA west. I really don't care if they are a production vehicle in your mind. Technically I don't think they qualify, but I'm just a Lightning owner. They are a fast truck and they exist and are cool.

 

[dgoodhue]

Roush mustangs are taken elsewhere and finished just like the BMR firehawk and the PAS,inc syclone and typhoon and Boss F150 from LA west. I really don't care if they are a production vehicle in your mind. Technically I don't think they qualify, but I'm just a Lightning owner. They are a fast truck and they exist and are cool.

Syclone's and Typhoon's could be ordered form any dealership and was warranteed by GM. The same cannot be said about Rousch, Firehawk & Boss. Using the same logic, lightning are SVT's. You can't order from any Ford dealership oonly from SVT. So therefore Lightnings are aftermarket tuner cars that happen to be built and warranteed by Ford.

We all know your a troll. Let me guess your going to argue, we don't have real truck, because of tow ratings. We could all see from your first post that you were trying to discredit SyTy as production vehicle. Sorry, Syclone are still the quickest production stock truck until some one proves otherwise. (may the SRT-10 is but I haven't seen real evidence to back that up.)

 

[easterisland]

Syclone's and Typhoon's could be ordered form any dealership and was warranteed by GM. The same cannot be said about Rousch, Firehawk & Boss. Using the same logic, lightning are SVT's. You can't order from any Ford dealership oonly from SVT. So therefore Lightnings are aftermarket tuner cars that happen to be built and warranteed by Ford.

We all know your a troll. Let me guess your going to argue, we don't have real truck, because of tow ratings. We could all see from your first post that you were trying to discredit SyTy as production vehicle. Sorry, Syclone are still the quickest production stock truck until some one proves otherwise. (may the SRT-10 is but I haven't seen real evidence to back that up.)

Roush and Boss mustangs and F150's can be ordered at dealers. SVT is a part of Ford, not a contract. Any SVT dealer can order an SVT Ford. Ford charges a fee to be an SVT dealers and also must send mechanics for extra training.

If I was trolling on this maybe I should have started a topic like Syclone isn't a real truck, or PAS made the syclone not GM, or syclones suck big time, or something. I asked a simple question and thought I'd get a straight forward answer and that would be it. What was so hard about answering a simple question?:roll:

 

[dgoodhue]

Roush and Boss mustangs and F150's can be ordered at dealers. SVT is a part of Ford, not a contract. Any SVT dealer can order an SVT Ford. Ford charges a fee to be an SVT dealers and also must send mechanics for extra training.

I wasn't really arguing that lightning weren't production vehicles, I was using your type of logic. IMO SyTy are as much a production vehicle as a Lightning. SyTy have their own unique VIN (not some s-15 that was converted), own RPO codes, the parts books and service manauls at GMC dealerships list SyTy parts, and they can suposedly be serviced and bought by any GMC dealership. The same cannot be said for all your examples. Lood in NADA for syclone under GMC and then try to find your example above in Ford and Pontiac Listing.

I asked a simple question and thought I'd get a straight forward answer and that would be it. What was so hard about answering a simple question?:roll:

You asked a question that I and others could see right though. You were trying to discredit SyTy's as production vehicles.