Damper harmonic balancer

denny

Active member
Why spend $300 on a new damper during a rebuild, why not use the stock one?
How important is a new damper? Dosen't the stock one works after a rebuild?

For the flywheel, I can see you probably need a stronger one than stock.

I spend that money on say upgrading the rods (from Eagle to Oliver) or upgrade something else.

Thanks
 

Robert Lone

MUTANT
Re: Damper harmonic balancer

Your stock balancer was designed for about 4000rpm every once in a while. It cost about $15 to make and it's what a decade old? The fluid type balancers "will" make more HP by reducing the harmonics in your engine. Also, they rarely fly apart destroying your engine compartment. (been there, done that) Spend the money one time and forget about it.

Just my opinion,

Robert :tup:

(that was my 100th post, now they will respect me, heh heh heh:))
 

James Thomas

"NO CLASS"
Re: Damper harmonic balancer

T-56 said:
Your stock balancer was designed for about 4000rpm every once in a while. It cost about $15 to make and it's what a decade old? The fluid type balancers "will" make more HP by reducing the harmonics in your engine. Also, they rarely fly apart destroying your engine compartment. (been there, done that) Spend the money one time and forget about it.

Just my opinion,

Robert :tup:

(that was my 100th post, now they will respect me, heh heh heh:))


T-56 is correct :tup: but allow me too give you several other solid reasons why the stock balancer is basicly worthless and or a paper weight:

The stock balancer / damper is made with a inner "rubber" ring that holds the outside ring in place (look at it close and you will see). After years and or abuse, the outside ring will loosen and start to "walk". At this stage the only problem is that your timing mark will be off anywhere from several deg.'s to spun 180 deg.'s out. My 60,000 mile bone stock Ty was 124 deg.'s off. Not so purty good when you put the timing light on it and can't even find the mark. Or really, really bad when it's only off say 5-10 deg.'s, you can see the mark and crank your timimng around to match it then find later that you are detonating your new 20 psi boosted, multi zillon dollar engine to oblivion. As T-56 said "been there and wrecked that" on a 22 psi blower engine. The first real hard pass cost me an engine gasket set, 8qts. of Red Line 20-50 and two pistons. Trust me the 300.00 for the balancer was cheaper.

Also, if you want a good balancer and are not going for 7000 plus rpm. try a Pioneer S.F.I./
N.H.R.A. approved unit, last time I ordered one I think it was $160.00.! Bottom line, do the balancer!
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Island Cycle & Performance
J&J Auto & Industrial
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warmpancakes

New member
Re: Damper harmonic balancer

Romac makes a badas all aluminum one it weighs about 3 lbs and you motor pics up RPM.
 

Robert Lone

MUTANT
Re: Damper harmonic balancer

My apologies for the above post. I prematurely clicked send when a mortor went off (pretty damned good excuse huh?) outside my house.

Please add lots of laughs, smilies, and sarcasim to the previous post.

Thank you and have a nice day.

Robert :tup:
 

denny

Active member
Re: Damper harmonic balancer

Thanks everyone for your reply, I am schooled.

I am starting to put together parts for a new build, I already have a sy/ty block and crank.

Thanks
 

DynaGlide

Ton-Eighty
Re: Damper harmonic balancer

I used a Pioneer oem replacement. Perhaps I should consider something else.
 

fast_fiero

1st engine on progress...
Re: Damper harmonic balancer

There are lots of different fluid damper copies in Ebay and they cost about $100.

I've understanded that fluind damper style dampers are most efficient.

But how good are these copyed dampers ?

Does anyone have any experience ?
 

myclone

Donating Member
Re: Damper harmonic balancer

T-56 said:
Define "copyed" (copied) dampers. Elastomer or fluid type copies?

I wouldnt touch a "fluidamper" knock off from ebay (or anywhere else for that matter) with a ten foot pole. Who knows what type of fluid, if any, is in it. Could be fish heads, rice pudding, water buffalo pee, or any other number of things that dont do squatt to dampen harmonic.

Why would anyone spend a few grand on even a modest rotating assembly and then hang a ~$100 part (and an important one at that) on it?

:2cents:
 

Robert Lone

MUTANT
Re: Damper harmonic balancer

Buddy of mine (very old school) is into BB Ford dragboats. He runs a stock damper center section that's been turned down to the bolt holes. He only runs it so he can bolt the bottom pully on the crank. Last year he broke three cranks at #1 main but couldn't understand why. I tried to explain about harmonics and the purpose of the damper but he would have none of it. He told me to go play with my little truck and let him get back to builing real engines. Hey, it's his time and his money.
 

myclone

Donating Member
Re: Damper harmonic balancer

T-56 said:
I tried to explain about harmonics and the purpose of the damper but he would have none of it. He told me to go play with my little truck and let him get back to builing real engines. Hey, it's his time and his money.

Ive ran into ppl like that and trying to explain something to them is like banging your head against a wall.......it only feels good to stop.
 

James Thomas

"NO CLASS"
Re: Damper harmonic balancer

myclone said:
I wouldnt touch a "fluidamper" knock off from ebay (or anywhere else for that matter) with a ten foot pole. Who knows what type of fluid, if any, is in it. Could be fish heads, rice pudding, water buffalo pee, or any other number of things that dont do squatt to dampen harmonic.

Why would anyone spend a few grand on even a modest rotating assembly and then hang a ~$100 part (and an important one at that) on it?

:2cents:



Here Here! I second that! We had one come apart at about 5300 rpm (well that's where the data logger stopped any way) on a ricer one of our customers brought to us to attempt to repair (yea right, there was nothing left of the front of the engine to repair :rotf: ) in Sept. Any way, the guy who built his engine told him that "it was a high quaility FLUIDDAMPER brand balancer" and charged him 525 bucks (he got robbed). It didn't look like a Fluiddamper too us but most of it was missing so we sent it to them with a WTF letter
and the reply was that it was not one of their balancers at all! I'm not going to mention any names due to the law suit that has been filed against the builder/armed robber but it was an"Ebay" balancer :tdown: . The repair is going to cost my customer $4,360.00 plus all the B/S.

As to what was really in it? The green shit that came out of it looked like a cross between
lime Jello and Nuclear Waste, smelled like pond scum and had the consistensy of mashed taters', Mmmm.... yummy. But me think not so purrrty good as a vibration damping material. Question is....... is YOUR engine worth a short cut? I would use a stock O.E.M. part before any of this cheap made who knows where no name Ebay crap.
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bjk_typhoon

1993 Typhoon
Re: Damper harmonic balancer

While everyone is on the topic what is the correct fluiddampner part number for our motor's and where can we get it from?
 

Robert Lone

MUTANT
Re: Damper harmonic balancer

I'll prolly get reamed on this one. I never looked for one but I'll "guess" same year 305, 350 balancer. Now watch me get stomped in da ground...
 

fast_fiero

1st engine on progress...
Re: Damper harmonic balancer

One more question about dampers !

Is V6 dampers "tuned" to V6 harmonics or will any SBC fluiddamper that fits to crank snout do the job ?

And I would also like to have the part number if someone knows it ?
 
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