Doghouse Nomination: Will Robbins

Doghouse Nomination: Will Robbins

  • Yes, Doghouse this seller

    Votes: 39 83.0%
  • No, he did nothing wrong

    Votes: 8 17.0%

  • Total voters
    47

SyTynet Admin

Administrator
This thread is being created to determine the fate of Will Robbins (aka SY#2910) as a seller and his status on this forum, not to decide the financial outcomes of any party involved.

The FACTS as they have been presented. Will, you have the right to chime in and defend yourself, but these are FACTS that have been backed up by more than one source in this case.

1.) 4500 mile "PTE" Turbo - This turbo was on your truck when you purchased it. Not knowing if it was a PTE turbo or not is viable, however your 4500 mile claim doesnt hold water on many levels.

a. 09-26-2005 - you try to sell it as a "TE-44"

b. 07-17-2005 - you claim the turbo has only 1500 miles on it 5 months earlier AND "had a fresh rebuild" prior to those 1500 miles.

You purchased your Syclone around Jaunary 2005, so are you willing to stand by that you put 1500 miles on the turbo during the first 7 months of ownership, then 3000 miles over the next 5 months? especially when you also claim you drive this truck 4-5 times a week?

2.) well something happened with his account @ the ups store and it sat there for a week - now to the next can of worms. Seems you have pulled this excuse with another buyer on this forum. Does selling a used alky kit ring a bell, because you gave that buyer the SAME excuse when you failed to ship the item out on time. (more on this item to come later)

3.) I let Will know on January 19th, he responds "i am going out of town" will be back january 23rd. - Well other syty.net members have contacted the forum Admins to say this is false and that he was around during that time.

4.) The alky kit in question - In the FS thread, you claim the unit is "Super clean and works 100%". Unfortunately the buyer begs to differ "items were missing, the alky pump damaged, pac controller damaged, so on and so on"....."i sent the kit to Julio and he said it would cost about 150.00 to make a descent kit out of what i recieved. Will and I exchanged over a dozen emails about this and he said the same things to me as he did Chad. Oh well no refund from me."

5.) BigWillie - Strange, I wonder who that could be? Who are you hiding from Will? Way to make yourself look more guilty than you already seem to be, create another screen name because you cant take the heat on your original one. Oh, just FYI, that account has been suspended, so dont bother trying to log in.


There has been more information given to the Admins, but at this time it seems hardly worth posting when given the 5 items above.

Will, feel free to defend yourself on any or all the items above, however with two extremely bad sales resulting in both buyers having to fork out $150 - $450 to make the items useful and a flat out refusal to help make things right, well...... I dont think much can be said at this point.
 

dgoodhue

BuSTeD 4.3
Re: Doghouse Nomination: Will Robbins

I don't thinks its that big of a deal between a TE44 or PTE44. It probably came from ATR since it has the 3-4 bolt adapter. I also don't think its that big of a deal to swap exhaust housings. Mileage sometime is an approximation especially when its done by a previous owner.

To me, the question is the internal damage. A bunch of people saw it running on Will's truck semi recently. Was the damage already happening but unknown or was their a problem with the installation and it was oil starved? (maybe since their an issue with the oil return line) or did something happen in shipping?
 

Flyin Ryan

hated cuz he drives fords
Re: Doghouse Nomination: Will Robbins

Creating another forum name, no receipts of fresh build or purchase, and lack of even atempting to make right says all there needs to be said in my opinion.
 

Sytyfan

New member
Re: Doghouse Nomination: Will Robbins

I have a couple of questions. How does the type of damage(internal) to the turbo happen during shipping? We use UPS at my job everyday and UPS always denies claims because they say it wasnt properly packaged. Even though you can tell the box was run over by them.
 

AUSyTyIN

Unbusted $#it box
Re: Doghouse Nomination: Will Robbins

HotRodV6 said:
Well id say by the evidence and his actions, or lack there of to be more correct wouold say he is guilty and should be permently banned from the site.

I'd like to second this nomination.
 

SyTyJedi

Jedi Council
Re: Doghouse Nomination: Will Robbins

If they want to find Osama all he has to do is sell some bogus stuff on this board. Admins will be on him in 2 seconds ;)

Giving you credit guys, ya'll are ON TOP of things.
 

Olskoolturbo

Use the force to fix it
Re: Doghouse Nomination: Will Robbins

In order for the community to stay close and tight knit there has to be a level of honesty in all dealings. I could see if this was the first time giving someone the benefit of the doubt but second offenders shouldn't get a third chance. If you are not honest than you get the boot!!
 

Merk

Donating Member
Re: Doghouse Nomination: Will Robbins

I'd give him 10 days to make something right.
 

2kwik4u

Resident slow guy
Re: Doghouse Nomination: Will Robbins

Here's my thoughts......From a previous buyer of Will's "merchandise".....As well as a local guy that has sat in his basement and played games.

Milage on the Turbo: Louisville isn't that big, and it's less than 8 miles from his house to his office. Thats 16 miles a day, and would take 281 days or roughy 56 weeks at that rate to make 4500 miles......More than plausabile IMO.....even factoring in a bit for driving elsewhere (I've only seen it more than 10 miles from his house on ONE occasion as long as I've known him).

As for his account at the UPS store.....Who gives a ****? If you want to brand him as a slow shipper thats fine with me, but using that as evidence to put him in the doghouse? Thats stretching it a bit IMO. Theres 100 reasons he might have been unable to use those days as days to ship the item.....

I believe the alky kit that he purchased was used when HE recieved it, and he sold it assuming that it was still good as that is what he was told.....I'm not 100% sure on this one, but I think thats the way it went down. I'm not sure that I ever saw or heard of that kit being installed on his truck.

Overall I think this particular turbo deal is kind of odd.....I know I personally wouldn't be real enthused about someone taking a turbo I sold to them APART before installing it, and then telling me it's bad. What's PTE going to do when you tell them taht? Most likely Sorry about your luck, you just bought yourself a turbo......Sounds like the same thing is happening here. I don't see how the turbo could've been damaged in shipping, as I've shipped a few turbo's myself, and they were simply packed with crumbled up packing paper in a regular box. Maybe it was damaged before he removed it from his truck and it wasn't showing the signs yet, however as soon as the new owner took it apart I would say it was thiers!

I haven't covered everything on the list above, but those are some of my thoughts. I'll gladly step aside and let the masses speak at this point, and offer nothing more but my experience.

As for the transaction I had with him.....Bought a set of C5 "thin spoke" wheels that he bought off another board member and drove on for awhile. The items were exactly as described, and the price was right. They are now sitting in my garage waiting for spring time.
 

Sytyfan

New member
Re: Doghouse Nomination: Will Robbins

At the least he shouldnt sell parts if A) he doesnt know what they are and B) He doesnt know if they are complete and in working order. The buyer was willing to meet him half way with the repair. I dont see Will reaching into his pocket. I sold someone a MSD box that I bought and never used the new owner said the box didnt work. I refunded the money ASAP. Then I went to the guy I bought it from and made him pay for the repair.
 

kessler

New member
Re: Doghouse Nomination: Will Robbins

This is why i feel safe buying shit on this Board, Cuz 99.9999999999999999% of the time every ones got each others backs and we all have the same Interests.
 

cvcsmkr

Donating Member
Re: Doghouse Nomination: Will Robbins

2kwik4u said:
As for his account at the UPS store.....Who gives a ****? If you want to brand him as a slow shipper thats fine with me, but using that as evidence to put him in the doghouse? Thats stretching it a bit IMO. Theres 100 reasons he might have been unable to use those days as days to ship the item.....

uuuummmmm, he has been caught lying more than once and to more than one person, if he will lie about that, what else could or will he lie about.
this is further evidence to discredit him.

2kwik4u said:
Overall I think this particular turbo deal is kind of odd.....I know I personally wouldn't be real enthused about someone taking a turbo I sold to them APART before installing it, and then telling me it's bad. What's PTE going to do when you tell them taht? Most likely Sorry about your luck, you just bought yourself a turbo......Sounds like the same thing is happening here. I don't see how the turbo could've been damaged in shipping, as I've shipped a few turbo's myself, and they were simply packed with crumbled up packing paper in a regular box. Maybe it was damaged before he removed it from his truck and it wasn't showing the signs yet, however as soon as the new owner took it apart I would say it was thiers!

taking turbo apart. you have got to be kidding me
this is unreal, that there is this kind of ignorance on this board of all.
i mean we have turbos stock.

James Thomas said:
1. You are correct, just swapping housings won't damage the turbo or require a re-balance.

READ first Speak later
http://www.hondacivicforum.com/m_111723/tm.htm
http://www.jakelatham.com/1gDSM/projects/l1r/
http://www.bentleypublishers.com/gallery.htm?code=GTUR&galleryId=805
http://www.syty.net/forums/showthread.php?t=22414&highlight=turbo+clock



2kwik4u said:
As for the transaction I had with him.....Bought a set of C5 "thin spoke" wheels that he bought off another board member and drove on for awhile. The items were exactly as described, and the price was right. They are now sitting in my garage waiting for spring time.

well i am glad that went well with you, i sure hope he wouldnt be stupid enough to rip someone off who lives in the same city. let alone a someone whos been to his house.
 
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2kwik4u

Resident slow guy
Re: Doghouse Nomination: Will Robbins

cvcsmkr said:
taking turbo apart. you have got to be kidding me
this is unreal, that there is this kind of ignorance on this board of all.
i mean we have turbos stock.

I was referring to taking the turbo apart, not removing it from the vehicle......He sold to you what is in my opinion a good turbo. The moment you took that turbo apart, in my opinion, you finalized the sale.

There is ABSOLUTLY no way to tell if the damage was done by you or by Will. Had you taken the turbo straight to the turbo shop for inspection, or not felt comfortable with the end play as soon as you opened the box, then it could be concievable that the damage was caused by either shipping, or a decieving seller.

I'd be willing to bet a beer at nationals on the fact that if you swap exhaust housings on a turbo you purchased from PTE, and then try to get the center section covered under warranty, they would essentially tell you to go pound sand, you just bought yourself a turbo.

As for the lying.....I can agree...maybe he didn't have a problem with his UPS account, maybe he did.....Could he have handled that better, probably so. Should that be reason enough to put him in the doghouse.....I'm not so sure......This whole ordeal sounds like a string of misunderstandings, but thats just my take on it.
 

toolmann

Member
Re: Doghouse Nomination: Will Robbins

i think SyTy.net Admin has documented their case well and it speaks for itself.and the seller is not speaking at all....with a large window of time to do soo.im with Merk,but 3 days is plenty considering the time that has already passed.and the fact he posted in the original thread and KNOWS hes been called out.he dont care.
 
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James Thomas

"NO CLASS"
Re: Doghouse Nomination: Will Robbins

Merk said:
I'd give him 10 days to make something right.

X2! We all got to be honest and up front with each other and if there is a verified problem, then the party should make it right / take care of it. Well thats how my old man raised me any way. If not then I think the party should have to be dishonest and sell bad merchandise on ricers.org :tup: !

I say 10 days to let the man defend / prove his side or make it right is very fair since its been over a month already.
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T-Bone

Active member
Re: Doghouse Nomination: Will Robbins

Merk said:
I'd give him 10 days to make something right.


I'm with Merk simply because I don't know either party personally. I aired my view on a plausible rectification option to go 50/50 on repairs. That option already had crossed the buyers mind and been suggested by him to Will. I won't jump to a rash conclusion but if Will doesn't respond appropriately by next Friday, I won't hesitate to place my vote based on the evidence. We simply can't afford to harbor dishonesty or a lack of mature character in our small community. Good work Admin on shedding some light on this whole ordeal....and other relavent dealings.
 

James Thomas

"NO CLASS"
Re: Doghouse Nomination: Will Robbins

Sytyfan said:
At the least he shouldnt sell parts if A) he doesnt know what they are and B) He doesnt know if they are complete and in working order. The buyer was willing to meet him half way with the repair. I dont see Will reaching into his pocket. I sold someone a MSD box that I bought and never used the new owner said the box didnt work. I refunded the money ASAP. Then I went to the guy I bought it from and made him pay for the repair.


I have a hard time swallowing that some one would buy used Hi Po parts (little less any thing else) and not check it out. I guess some may not care but I am kind like a kid a Christmas time :lol: . I want to make sure that it's all there and works so that if there is a problem it can be delt with ASAP :tup: . As to the condition of any item (car parts or not)
it is leagally and morally the sellers obligation to make sure that what is advertised is correct as to condition or being complete, also correct packaging for shipment.

Maybe it was dying or damaged and he didn't know it but HE IS STILL BOUND TO HONOR IT as advertised. Changing the housing alone won't cause any damage and is not a valid defense, any turbo shop or builder will tell you that. If he didn't know what it was when he sold it then that is his fault (I have a hard time buying that also since it appears that he is pretty knowledgable) because it was advertised as a PTE but is not?

Bottom line is the buyer got the short end of the stick and has offered a more than fair meet me half way solution which is a hell of a lot more than I would be willing to do at this time under these conditions and has not had a favorable response from the seller who has obviously sold some bogus / unsavory / not as described parts (unknowingly or not makes no difference), sorry friends comments don't really count here. Photo's, e-mail, statments from turbo builders and repair reciept's do!

Fact: The turbo is not a PTE and had internal damage that could not have been caused by swapping housings and I doubt by shipping as verified by the turbo builder.
Fact: Sounds like some simular past history with other sales and people. Some might call this a repeating pattern?

Give the man 10 days or so to "do the right thing". If not then IMO, we have a hard enough time keeping these things going, finding good parts and getting ripped on EGay, I don't think we need or want to worry about it here also. If it can't be worked out then I don't want him or any one else like that around here :2cents: and I will vote accordingly!
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