My new Rear Coilover kit

MRKING

New Parts for Old Trucks
I wanted to post up a quick pic of the new rear coilover / ladder bar setup I am throwing on my sy . When all said and done, I will be another 75 pounds lighter . I wont be attempting an install until I get another axle bracket waterjet cut . Does anyone know someone that can aid me with that ?
I want to extend another huge "thank you" to Marty . I promised to get him a duplicate of the axle bracket , so whoever helps me with the waterjet cutting can feel good they are helping out marty also .;)

RearCoils-1.jpg
 

Black Knight

I Glow Therefore I am
Re: My new Rear Coilover kit

Very nice, I can't wait to see this all done :tup:

Something tells me this guy might be able to help with your waterjeting, click me
 

MRKING

New Parts for Old Trucks
Re: My new Rear Coilover kit

Yeah its Als kit . Marty had it tucked away for a project in the future . I will be getting new rod ends as I heard that the ends he used were cheapos .

Between the new paint job and the 4l80 , I am getting light in the pockets , so I cant speculate when the front coilovers are going in .But they are next on the list ....Unless a billet crank is needed by then .
 

protosy

New member
Re: My new Rear Coilover kit

MRKING said:
Yeah its Als kit . Marty had it tucked away for a project in the future . I will be getting new rod ends as I heard that the ends he used were cheapos .

Between the new paint job and the 4l80 , I am getting light in the pockets , so I cant speculate when the front coilovers are going in .But they are next on the list ....Unless a billet crank is needed by then .

cool. there is a truck around here that is using that kit, and last i talked to him he was quite happy with it. if i am not mistaken, robert is using it too, or at least was using it.

i know exactly how the light pockets scenario plays out, as i am sure a bunch of others around here do to

looking forward to seeing your completed project.
 

Beavis

Still plays with trucks
Re: My new Rear Coilover kit

I have only heard of one person having a problem with his rear susp. Something about the welds broke loose. :dunno: (Side note, this person is making ALOT of power too.....)
 

sytyguy

Moderated User
Re: My new Rear Coilover kit

Is that the hand of a Garbage Pail Kid in the upper LH corner?

Hood
 
Re: My new Rear Coilover kit

MRKING said:
I wanted to post up a quick pic of the new rear coilover / ladder bar setup I am throwing on my sy . When all said and done, I will be another 75 pounds lighter . I wont be attempting an install until I get another axle bracket waterjet cut . Does anyone know someone that can aid me with that ?
I want to extend another huge "thank you" to Marty . I promised to get him a duplicate of the axle bracket , so whoever helps me with the waterjet cutting can feel good they are helping out marty also .;)

RearCoils-1.jpg

mike renz might cut them for you.
 

JSM

Active member
Re: My new Rear Coilover kit

You may want to add ladder bar safety hoops to the front. If you go to a strict NHRA track they won't let you run without them. I know Robert did this on his truck and I wouldn't drive a ladder bar setup with out it myself.

In all honesty with the envelope to work with, the design was not bad. Few tweaks and as Robert has proven it can run fast and straight.
 

Syborg Twin Turbo

Syborg Twin Turbo
Re: My new Rear Coilover kit

There was a failure but it had nothing to do with the kit. The person that welded the bracket to the axle tube didn't weld so good. Thus the failure.

ps - this is a first gen kit that was made and sold to Dustin Performance


Beavis said:
I have only heard of one person having a problem with his rear susp. Something about the welds broke loose. :dunno: (Side note, this person is making ALOT of power too.....)
 

NOJIMMY

New member
Re: My new Rear Coilover kit

....Can someone refresh me as to "where we stand with rear suspension options?"

1.) Is this kit being made (as an updated kit) and offered by anyone?
2.) Is anyone else offering a ladder/coil over setup (ie maybe John Gerber's fab guy)?
3.) Is anyone offering a 4-link/coil over setup (didn't Jason's Ty get a makeover to this by Comp Fab)?
4.) Wasnt others looking into various setups with pan-bars, watts, or sub-chassis offerings?


Or was the conclusion that custom arrangements were required due to pricing and build tolerances?
Is the jury still out on benefits of major rear-suspension changes (with stock front ends)
vs major front-suspension changes (with stock rear suspensions)?

As last I read...

-with live rear axle configurations disadvantage is weight; ability of wheels to follow road; size; and old design.
But the main drawback is the lack of lateral location for the axle, meaning it has a lot of side-to-side slop in it.

-with 3 link or other configurations this involves complexity/adjustment issues.Variation are the Watts
and Jacobs bar linkages to replace the Panhard rod for lateral positioning. Watts links seem to be popular with the
hydraulic lowrider/truck bed dancer types. The Jacobs ladder is used on US midget and sprintcar dirt track rear ends.

-with 4 link configuration the disadvantage is lateral location control and its difficulty to achieve roll understeer with anti-squatting.
This combined with a Panhard Bar (however) does provide rear end alignment. If compared to a ladder-bar setup, you'd see that
the rear frame "kick up" of the 4-bar setup is less severe. This means that it's good for our trucks where space is at a premium.
A triangulated 4-line operates on the same principle, but the top two bars are inwards and joined to the rear end housing much closer
to the center. This eliminates the need for the separate panhard bar, which in turn means the whole setup is even more compact

-thanks
Larry Brown
 

Syborg Twin Turbo

Syborg Twin Turbo
Re: My new Rear Coilover kit

there would have to be two different kits. One for the sy and one for the ty. The ty rear end is about 1 1/4" further back. Also you have completly different frame configurations so the sock mounts ad panhard bar set up would also be different.

For straight line performance - seems like the ladder bar has been proven to be very effective. The kit that Al designed and built is a combonition of a shorter ladder bar and a very low panhard bar (under axle center) works well for street, strip and track in a syclone or typhoon.

4-links don't seem to work well with AWD but i only have hear say to conclude that.

I do like the diagonal 4-link set ups as they are clean, but i would buy a rear diff that was factory designed with the housing mounts cast in. My next project will get this type of set up.

I think in the end the differential brackets will be made available and it's up to the owner to have a kit built off the brackets.
 

JSM

Active member
Re: My new Rear Coilover kit

I have done triangulated 4 links on both a sy and a ty. Sy I have driven and it is 10x better than stock.

You can't just take a 4 link kit though, and put into a AWD truck and think it will perform right. Some geometry needs to be changed, moved around.
 

warmpancakes

New member
Re: My new Rear Coilover kit

4 link will NOT work properly (in a sy) in a awd truck it will bind , ladder bars will work the best but you loose a little ride quality
 
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