Damaged heads from shipping.

[MIXEDBREED]

Well i mailed a set of vortech heads to RPM to get drilled for the syty intake and ( My fault ) I did not package them good enough and they were damaged, I am not sure if they still can be used or not since the damage is on the inside part of were the o-rings would go but I will let some of you look and tell me what you think.

I do wish RPM would have told me they were damaged before I payed to have a set of heads redrilled that I may not be able to even use at all but RPM has always been stand up guys to me and all the work they have done in the past including the redrilling of these heads have been top quality - add that they are very busy and something might slip through. I did have insurance on the package but onceit was recieved and then re packaged and mailed away then the insurance I had is no longer good. Again just to be clear it was NOT rpm's fault they were damaged- it was clearly my fault for the way I packaged them that caused the damaged- that and ups prob through them around a bit.

Anyways here are some pics, might take a minute I just got a account so I could post these.

 

[MIXEDBREED]

Re: Damaged heads from shipping.

The rest of the surface are seems to be fine just the spots in the pics that were chipped. Not sure that they will seal up with the o-rings or not.

 

[jeepruby04]

Re: Damaged heads from shipping.

Why couldn't they be welded/filled and re-machined?

 

[MIXEDBREED]

Re: Damaged heads from shipping.

Why couldn't they be welded/filled and re-machined?

Not sure if they can be or not, have to wait till monday for the shop here to open. I do have a extra set of vortecs but they are not drilled for the syty intake. I sent these to rpm since they have done the redrilling before and know what there are doing. If all else fails I will say f it and and go with a v8 swap since I have a extra ls2 sitting around or just sell the truck and all the parts since I don't have the time like I did before to do builds and what not. Work takes alot of my time.

 

[TYTILIDIE]

Re: Damaged heads from shipping.

I don't know, personally I don't think I'd sweat it.

 

[TYTILIDIE]

Re: Damaged heads from shipping.

But then again, the "O-ring" is simply copper wire.....

 

[MIXEDBREED]

Re: Damaged heads from shipping.

But then again, the "O-ring" is simply copper wire.....

steel wire with copper gaskets was the plan. Might use the extra set of vortecs and resuface them and use mls gaskets instead of the damaged heads.

 

[qbnkiller]

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The purpose oft he o-rings was to keep the pressure in. If this was for a <500hp build, I would say to clean the sharp edges up, run the o-rings, and it should be fine. Above that then I would definitely fix them properly.

Sorry to hear about the issues with the heads man....

 

[randy merritt]

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How did that "happen in shipping"? Looks more like the chamber was drug over the edge of a mill table or something, and chipped that way? Odd that the machinist didn't look it over before proceeding.

This doesn't pass the "smell test". Someone is not telling everything they know about what happened.....

x2.. someone should have said something. Not taking sides.

 

[SY2932]

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X3 I'm make chips for a living (machinist) and unless there are corresponding gouges through the shipping container that match up with the damage on the heads, that didn't happen in shipping.

 

[Flyin Ryan]

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I agree with the others... find that hard to believe its strictly from shipping

 

[GarnetTy1473]

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That should be able to be fixed. I dropped a valve seat in m 632 that was in my dragster back in '07. Broke a titanium valve and wedged it up inside the head. (pic below) Shrapnel made its way through the engine and made its way into 5 cylinders. Destroying the pistons and damaging the heads in all 5 cylinders. It was fixed and the engine was still running fine 5 years laters when we sold the car.

 

[jaystcb]

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It is a casting. Castings do that. Each casting will machine a little different than one another. Even in light cuts... things happen. Especially when you are machining on used parts. It does not look bad. It looks more like a brake than a crack. But I would say send them out for crack testing anyway. Just to make sure. Myself, I would just clean up the rough spots and use them.. The compression ring and the gasket will do there job. Now if it was a race motor. I would just clean up the rough spots and use them. But that's me.

 

[MIXEDBREED]

Re: Damaged heads from shipping.

How did that "happen in shipping"? Looks more like the chamber was drug over the edge of a mill table or something, and chipped that way? Odd that the machinist didn't look it over before proceeding.

This doesn't pass the "smell test". Someone is not telling everything they know about what happened.....

Pretty sure how it happened, I packaged both heads in the same box with bubble wrap and air packs ( giant bubble wrap) but from what I was told the heads must have been banging together or something. No other damage on the heads except were the pictures show. The rest of the surface area was fine and very little to almost no damage on the other head, just seems to be the one. Now RPM did say the packageing was beat up pretty good and I have no reason to think they would be feeding me bs, RPM has always been stand up guys from my dealings and with others. Two iron heads clanking together in a box can surely do some damage which is what I believe to have happened. Just wished they told me before drilling them and I could have filed a insurance claim with UPS.

Might just have them resurfaced and run mls gaskets and maybe copper 0-rings or steel/ will have to fig that stuff out later. MLS gaskets require a very smooth surface to keep from leaking.

 

[MIXEDBREED]

Re: Damaged heads from shipping.

Well I took the heads to a local machine shop and they said they can fix them up for me. They are going to fill in some spots and resurface them. They said they wont need to take off more then 5 thousandths so no just have to get the right head gasket. Not sure how much has been taken off this heads before so maybe Alex will chime in on that. Want to make sure I have good clearance for the valves ect.

I am having trouble finding the right gasket. Found a few SCE titan pro self sealing copper gaskets but they say they are for .060 bore and my block is bored .040 over. Also want to make sure i get the right thickness for them to. The SCE have a Compressed Thickness of .021 ranging to .063 I think.