Damn! next problem

[Espritmike]

Well, I fixed the stalling problem (distributor and IAC valve) fixed the brand new IC pump inop (the orange and black wires switch colors at the lower connector). NOW the oil pump pickup (or something) fell of and is rattling inside the oil pan while running. Of course, now I see all the posts about support brackets being welded onto the pickup to keep this from happening. There goes another 6 hours of work and messing up my pretty engine paint job!!!! getting sick of this bs

 

[MikeRenz]

Re: Damn! next problem

a. that'll be more than 6 hrs of work
b. if you think the pickup fell off and is rattling around, don't run the engine. the pump w/o the pickup isn't going to get much/any oil though the motor so you're risking even more damage if you continue to run it.
c. if you have oil pressure....and rattling.....get your wallet ready.

 

[Norm]

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Drain the oil and see if you can see anything inside the pan throught the drain hole. I don't know if oyu have access to a mechanics microscope or not. That might help you out. I wouldn't run that engine at all to you see if that's the issue. And yes to drop that pan is going to be more than 6 hours work. Maybe in a 2 wheel drive it might take 6 ,not in a ty.

 

[BMFB]

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The Rod clearance can be check by turning the motor over by hand and listening for a tick on the pan or walls of the block. I have a hard time believing that the pick fell off, no one builds and engine and just sets the pick in the pump, its usually pressed in, wielded in, or at least super gasket sealed in...but then again I don’t know many builders what wouldn't check for pan clearance... or perhaps the pan was clearance and then dinged on the way over the cross member going back in. I just had my engine rebuilt as well and I know that my block had to be cleared in 2 places (2 and 5, i think) and the pan had to be clearance for the eagle rods.

i will ask you how 100% you are on it coming from the pan, also, things that fall into oil...tend to kind of sit stationary, and if they did move it prolly wouldn’t be all that noticeable of a sound to be heard over the noise of the all powerful V6, at least not over the injectors, and all the other stuff that makes my truck sound like a sewing machine...my guess is pan clearance, you would see that immediately upon getting the truck running, not sure if that’s where you are in the build.

I wish the best of luck to you, I to know the fear of having to tear apart a day of work on my truck, it hasn’t come to fruition yet, but its a deep, dark horrible feeling.

 

[bezerk]

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sounds more like a bearing, if the pickup tube fell of you would get bad oil pressure

 

[Espritmike]

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Pulled the pan today,(pulled diff for access-PITA) sure enough- pump pickup sitting at the bottom. Fixed that (spread the tube a little to tighten up and made a bracket that welded to the tube and bolted to the pump). The truck had not been driven, just idled to check timing and stalling problem when we heared the noise.(about 1-3 min of running) The rods etc. are all stock. I just freshened up the motor -bearings,rings, valve job, timing chain ,oil pump and gaskets basically.ARP head bolts were the only upgrade really. That being said, my oil pressure gauge is flipped around still (I replaced the sending unit, but haven't got to the dash art yet)

 

[bezerk]

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with a problem like that, i would invest in an aftermarket oil press gauge. stock is just an on off monitor.. better of reading real psi and you can jump on it as soon as it's dropping more than normal when warm

 

[BMFB]

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wow, Thats awfull, I was hopeing for rod clearnace, lol. well, theres a chance at idle that it was still suckin oil the whole time, so you have that going for you.

Ive never heard of one just falling off, I guess i'm still pretty green though...

 

[Espritmike]

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Here is the deal, I had my tech put it together (the oil pump/pickup and pan- the engine itself was done at the machine shop i've used for the last 15 years) and it was just not a snug fit. Neither him nor I are "engine" guys. I am a driveabilty/tune up specialist, and owning a shop sitting in the office 80% of the day for the last 10 years does not keep me sharp either. It's going together now after I banged a socket into the end of the pickup to tighten it up and added a bracket that welded onto the tube and bolted onto the pump itself- it aint going anywhere now!

 

[leadfoot]

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with a problem like that, i would invest in an aftermarket oil press gauge. stock is just an on off monitor.. better of reading real psi and you can jump on it as soon as it's dropping more than normal when warm

I would have invested in a new high volume pump too. :2cents:

 

[BMFB]

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I would have invested in a new high volume pump too. :2cents:

A high volume pump on this pan is a scarry thought, I went with a high pressure. I'd be afraid of sucking the 4.5 quart pan dry

 

[Espritmike]

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Installed the pump and no more noise. I hear the high pressure/ high volume argument. The stock pump did last 165k miles though. And this is all but stock. So I'm not too concerned about the pump.

Next problem- frame has crack behind drivers rear upper control arm bushing mount. (found it when we pulled the front diff). A welder is coming by on Tuesday to drop a bead around it.

 

[BMFB]

Re: Damn! next problem

Installed the pump and no more noise. I hear the high pressure/ high volume argument. The stock pump did last 165k miles though. And this is all but stock. So I'm not too concerned about the pump.

Next problem- frame has crack behind drivers rear upper control arm bushing mount. (found it when we pulled the front diff). A welder is coming by on Tuesday to drop a bead around it.

If its a stock motor I couldnt agree more, As for the cracked frame mount,