cloneman315
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i was reding in another post that eagle rods hit on some trucks oil pans is this true?wjhat is the fix for it
eagle rods clearance?
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DanenGraham
Big in the rear
Re: eagle rods clearance?
I think it just comes down to what type of gasket u use. My motor that was built by a machine shop didnt have the pan modded and I never heard it once. But I put a new felpro oilpan gasket in it, it hit like a mofo.
I think it just comes down to what type of gasket u use. My motor that was built by a machine shop didnt have the pan modded and I never heard it once. But I put a new felpro oilpan gasket in it, it hit like a mofo.
James Thomas
"NO CLASS"
Re: eagle rods clearance?
Yes the Eagle rods do tend to have minor clearance problems but trust me it worth it to dimple your pan, just dont go ape shit with the Ford specialty tool (hammer). Or you can use the Canton pan if you want to upgrade and you get the windage & baffeling too :tup: !
On the pan gaskets, I totally agree with DanenGraham. The FelBlows will hit because they are thinner. Tust me, you do want to spend a few more bucks here and use the factory style one piece oil pan gasket. It's thicker which adds more clearance and is much less prone to leaking if you don't over tighten it, just my :2cents: .
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DanenGraham said:
Yes the Eagle rods do tend to have minor clearance problems but trust me it worth it to dimple your pan, just dont go ape shit with the Ford specialty tool (hammer). Or you can use the Canton pan if you want to upgrade and you get the windage & baffeling too :tup: !
On the pan gaskets, I totally agree with DanenGraham. The FelBlows will hit because they are thinner. Tust me, you do want to spend a few more bucks here and use the factory style one piece oil pan gasket. It's thicker which adds more clearance and is much less prone to leaking if you don't over tighten it, just my :2cents: .
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ghettosled
SYTY SUPERSTORE
Re: eagle rods clearance?
i may be wrong but i dont think canton makes a 4x4 pan for the 4.3.. As far as the rods, even with the stock victor gaskets they will hit. best method is bolt the pan on without the gasket, turn motor over by hand, pull pan, look at the marks now left in the pan, dent them good, then put back on with gasket.. turn motor over with hand on the pan to feel the rods possibly touching and hopefully all is well.
i may be wrong but i dont think canton makes a 4x4 pan for the 4.3.. As far as the rods, even with the stock victor gaskets they will hit. best method is bolt the pan on without the gasket, turn motor over by hand, pull pan, look at the marks now left in the pan, dent them good, then put back on with gasket.. turn motor over with hand on the pan to feel the rods possibly touching and hopefully all is well.
James Thomas
"NO CLASS"
Re: eagle rods clearance?
Haven't ordered one in a while, I'll see if I can dig up the PN# and post it
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Windedv6 said:
Haven't ordered one in a while, I'll see if I can dig up the PN# and post it
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James Thomas
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Re: eagle rods clearance?
Yea they do, or did. I'll dig up the PN# and post it . Does Victor supply the GM O.E.M. one piece pan gasket? I dono but I have not had to dimple a stock pan with the GM gasket. DanenGraham.... how bout you?
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Island Cycle & Performance
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ghettosled said:
Yea they do, or did. I'll dig up the PN# and post it
. Does Victor supply the GM O.E.M. one piece pan gasket? I dono but I have not had to dimple a stock pan with the GM gasket. DanenGraham.... how bout you?______________________
James Thomas
Island Cycle & Performance
Marianas Motorsports
Big Mike
New member
Re: eagle rods clearance?
My block had to be clearanced for the Eagle H Beams (but not in the oil pan rail area), I have spun the motor over by hand and did not hear any rubbing on the pan, but I will check it out better as the motor is not in just yet. The gaskets being used are the Victor Renz set # HS5855.
My block had to be clearanced for the Eagle H Beams (but not in the oil pan rail area), I have spun the motor over by hand and did not hear any rubbing on the pan, but I will check it out better as the motor is not in just yet. The gaskets being used are the Victor Renz set # HS5855.
cloneman315
Active member
Re: eagle rods clearance?
u have to clearacne the block 2?
u have to clearacne the block 2?
sytyguy
Moderated User
Re: eagle rods clearance?
VR does make GM gaskets. The odd thing is that the Fel-Pro 1 pc gasket (OS34502R) is thicker and better made than the VR 1 pc gasket (OS30485), so you should have fewer problems (I still think you'll need to modify the pan) with the Fel-Pro gasket vs the VR. I sell about 30 sets of Eagle CRS570063D rods and over 50 oil pan gaskets (some VR, most Fel-Pro) and almost all have to modify the pan regardless of gasket choice.
The HS5855 is simply a head gasket set, no oil pan gasket included. Check and see what OPS is used.
My advice = same as Mike Lee's. Check for rubbing with and w/o the gasket installed and clearance as necessary. Never ASSUME that it should work because others haven't had to clearance their pan. Not worth the aggravation of R&R'ing an engine for a simple boo-boo like that.
Hood
James Thomas said:Yea they do, or did. I'll dig up the PN# and post it. Does Victor supply the GM O.E.M. one piece pan gasket? I dono but I have not had to dimple a stock pan with the GM gasket. DanenGraham.... how bout you?
VR does make GM gaskets. The odd thing is that the Fel-Pro 1 pc gasket (OS34502R) is thicker and better made than the VR 1 pc gasket (OS30485), so you should have fewer problems (I still think you'll need to modify the pan) with the Fel-Pro gasket vs the VR. I sell about 30 sets of Eagle CRS570063D rods and over 50 oil pan gaskets (some VR, most Fel-Pro) and almost all have to modify the pan regardless of gasket choice.
Big Mike said:
The HS5855 is simply a head gasket set, no oil pan gasket included. Check and see what OPS is used.
My advice = same as Mike Lee's. Check for rubbing with and w/o the gasket installed and clearance as necessary. Never ASSUME that it should work because others haven't had to clearance their pan. Not worth the aggravation of R&R'ing an engine for a simple boo-boo like that.
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cloneman315
Active member
Re: eagle rods clearance?
but how about having to clearance the block, i dont want to have my builder get pissed at me
but how about having to clearance the block, i dont want to have my builder get pissed at me
cloneman315
Active member
Re: eagle rods clearance?
4 posts or so above big mike said he had to.was just curious
4 posts or so above big mike said he had to.was just curious
Big Mike
New member
Re: eagle rods clearance?
Pictures below of the Oil Pan after turning the engine crank (by hand) to make marks on the pan. See the scrape marks? Circled in red you will see were 4 of the rod bolts scrape. They are barely hitting but they do! Build is with Victor-Reinz gasket for the Oil Pan. (Eagle rods, SRP pistons, Stock block, Stock crank).
Next picture is the oil pan after dimpling it with a ball pein hammer to make some clearance....you don't need much. Make sure to wipe away any loose paint or metal flakes after hitting with the hammer. I use a sand bag to rest the pan on when I hit it to make the dimples.
Last picture is of the clearancing of the block. The side of the Eagle Rod runs VERY close to the inside of the bottom of the cylinder walls. This was a recommended item that my engine machinist pointed out and suggested to do. It does not acutally hit but it is VERY close and was done to prevent a possible problem.
(Stock crank not a Stroker)
This was done on each cylinder wherever it could possibly hit.
Hope this helps.
Pictures below of the Oil Pan after turning the engine crank (by hand) to make marks on the pan. See the scrape marks? Circled in red you will see were 4 of the rod bolts scrape. They are barely hitting but they do! Build is with Victor-Reinz gasket for the Oil Pan. (Eagle rods, SRP pistons, Stock block, Stock crank).
Next picture is the oil pan after dimpling it with a ball pein hammer to make some clearance....you don't need much. Make sure to wipe away any loose paint or metal flakes after hitting with the hammer. I use a sand bag to rest the pan on when I hit it to make the dimples.
Last picture is of the clearancing of the block. The side of the Eagle Rod runs VERY close to the inside of the bottom of the cylinder walls. This was a recommended item that my engine machinist pointed out and suggested to do. It does not acutally hit but it is VERY close and was done to prevent a possible problem.
(Stock crank not a Stroker)
This was done on each cylinder wherever it could possibly hit.
Hope this helps.
cloneman315
Active member
Re: eagle rods clearance?
hmm interesting.so what gasket is thicker than the felpro?
hmm interesting.so what gasket is thicker than the felpro?
93 TY 2185
Donating Member
Re: eagle rods clearance?
Big Mike Good post! Thanks for showing those pictures.
Big Mike Good post! Thanks for showing those pictures.
cloneman315
Active member
Re: eagle rods clearance?
yeah great pics ,so the rod dosent hit the block just close?
yeah great pics ,so the rod dosent hit the block just close?