engine building

[syty9933]

Re: engine building

Oh, my gosh. I thought this was a stock rebuild. My comments above were all in context of a stock rebuild. Eagles, SP pistons, splayed caps, stock cam, injectors, and turbo. I thought this was your daily driver? That list is what is in many trucks that live on jack stands for years at a time.

From what I've seen in 15 years of syty'n very few peeps are capable of making this combo work, and be reliable. Maybe less than a dozen people. I'm not one of them either. It takes incredible skill, knowledge, and dedication to get it right.

I've seen that list a thousand times. Often in a for sale ad after the owner gives up in frustration. That list is a 6-8 thousand dollar build. ONE mistake and over-boost, and it's all scrap. Are you sure you're willing to risk this amount of money, based on your experience? Is your dad? He's financing it. It really is a gamble that it will live.

You're nuts, and not listening. Is your dad seeing these posts? I promise to stay out of your threads in the future. This is futile. Good Luck to ya'.

I don't want you to stay out of my threads, i want your advice,I know your probally going to say keep it stock, but what would you recommend, if I want a reliable truck with a little more power than stock? Im not trying to juice all the power i can get out of this build either but would like somthing a little quicker . I havent ordered anything but pistons and i already have the pte61 and front mount , so im all ears and open to change

 

[ghettosled]

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Personally if i was in your position (and knowing what i do) i would not want to attempt to pay off a project of this magnitude on a borrowed budget.

Things are going to break, your going to need more parts and by the time you are all said and done you will have $15k wrapped up into this upgrade and be forever in debt to your father. The likelihood of things breaking and additional expenses occurring are extremely high. Factor in another vehicle for a reliable daily driver, you get the idea.

Your best chance of happiness is determining a realistic budget and contacting one of the several vendors here who specializes in building these trucks. If you had the funds to spearhead this project, the time necessary to deal with all the headaches, a backup plan for a daily driver, etc then i would say go for it on your own.

I could go on for days with stories, customer testimonials, etc. I guess i can play devils advocate b/c i deal with these situations on a daily basis and i even though i tell this to 90% of my customers, a year or two later their trucks always end up back at my shop already over budget and i'm charging them to fix their headache someone else caused, when it would have been WAY cheaper if i did it in the first place.

FYI, you have Campbell, Rockford, Waller, RPM, amongst several others.

 

[TYTILIDIE]

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Here is what I always recommend for a good reliable stockish motor.

Good stock crank no more than 10/10
Stock or Eagle rods
A good hyper or forged piston
stock cam
stock or L35 heads
stock rockers
stock manifolds
stock TB
20g turbo
Alky injection
33-40# injectors
and a solid tune
This a a miuld combo that can make very good results and LAST. It is what I went with for my wifes Ty. I ran this combo a couple years ago and was mostly happy but lost an oil pump pick up tube. If not for that I am sure that same motor would be running just fine in my Ty today.

 

[Quickstop [UK]]

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Dude - the engine build you are talking about is a lot of cash.

Stock Block - 300 for work MIN
4 bolt mains - 150
Srp .20 bore pistons - 350 ish
Eagle rods - 400
60lb inj - 350
either vortechs or l35s - 400 -to 1400
415 comp cam - 300
pte61 - 1000
atr external wg -250
arp studs - 150
larger stall convertor - 900
ebay front mount a/a - 400

I make that about $5500 and you haven't mentioned a new downpipe or moates, fuel pump, etc etc, motor mounts, gaskets, tools, consumables etc etc.

That's 7k straight up. It'll easily hit 8 or 9 so.

I spent a fortune on mine and I earn a lot more than Applebees staff and I am still paying back loans and finding problems. You just get in deeper and deeper with the mods. Sure, if it's a hobby then fine but I'd be surprised to see you get away with less than 10k spend and the truck broken for a lot longer.

Are you going to college or planning to? Maybe that money would be better invested there.

Build it stock for now and learn about the truck like the guys are saying then when you've got it running right start thinking about upgrading.

You want it to be faster than stock? You ever been in a good running stock truck? They're FAST! you're 17 man! Relax!

My Dad took me for a ride on our Typhoon when I was 17 and I now own it 14 years later. It's a love affair, take your time.

You might be one of the gurus on here in a few years if you play your cards right.

Good luck with whatever you decide but seriously, don't spend all the money first time round!! Ask me how I know

 

[syty9933]

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thanks guy I'm going to do a mostly stock build now, I guess becausei can't remember what stock should actually feel like, and because I don't have the time and money for somthing to go all the time

 

[BoostedSUV]

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I agree with these guys 100 percent about going with a stockish rebuild.. Read my signature, I have a build that was close to what you were thinking. If I could do it all over again I would have saved a TON of money and build it stock. 4 years later and countless amounts of hours and money later I still can't get my truck to run right. I don't know if it's the build, the tune, my error somewhere or what but I regret it... Leave it stock, do it once and be done with it.

 

[syty9933]

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Thanks for the advice I guess the more u build and the more you variate from stock you have a worse and worse chance of things going right and the tune gets harder and harder, so I'm going to go pretty much stock with some light modding at most, would l35s with the stock cam be easy to tune for?

 

[gkrcr882]

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Keep in mind that "stock" and "cheap" are two different things. You can do a stock rebuild with better quality internals, and still have a sound reliable truck. Things like a bigger turbo, higher stall, cam, etc all require trial and error and tuning. I'd shave down the list to this:

Stock block - Don't bore it unless you have to
Eagle rods
SRP or better pistons of some sort
Have the stock heads cleaned, checked and gone through (seals and guides)
Clean up the intake manifolds (crud/carbon can kill airflow)

A2A IC system if you can swing it, mostly because there are no pumps to fail or fluids to leak. The stocker works well, but it can be a PITA at times.

You can make your engine run and look like a million bucks without spending it, it just takes a lot of cleaning, some painting, and attention to detail.

 

[NJ93TY]

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Just want to share my story. After my motor started knocking I went back to a stock-like rebuild. Upgraded to 20G turbo, 2800 converter. Already had AtoA IC, bigger throttle body, stock cam, heads, manifolds, injectors. I owned this truck since late 03 and when I had to pull the motor I said to myself I want this to be stock and reliable. So many years of not enjoying this truck, I have had it. It was freshly painted and now had a knocking motor.
Pulled the motor, cost around 2K to get redone. About 700 bucks in sensors, fluids, ignition parts, oil cooler lines, blah blah and other misc pieces. So now I am under 3K with a running truck, lots of new parts. I am going to enjoy this thing this summer. Don't have to worry about leaks and I know the truck will go anywhere. After I installed the motor I drove it 500 miles, changed the oil and drove over 800 miles to NATS! Wasn't worried one bit.

It spools great, feels and drives like stock and still hauls ass. Its not nearly as fast as some of the trucks on the board but I don't want to spend all my time working on the truck and seeing it on jack stands. I will never have the fastest truck and I don't care. I just want to enjoy it. And if I were to ever sell it that person would be getting a reliable truck. You can do what you want its your truck but take into consideration what everyone is telling you. I was in debt for a long time with my truck, it sucked and you don't want to be that way either.

 

[syty9933]

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read all of the posts took it all into consideration and have been thinking about it alot latley and think i have my new build list:

srp pistons .20 bore (because i got a great price on them and have a bore just in case rings have deffected the walls)
eagle rods
stock cam
either l35, or stock head
pte61 (because ive had it for a while and already has an external wg and 3"dp setup)
and possibly larger injectors from the 33#-40# range( whatever is easiest to tune for)
a good tune
maybe a 2800 convertor
new mounts
and eveything else pretty much stock
,but cleaned and some things replaced

the truck already has an atr 3" catback
afpr
walboro 255
datamaster setup
etc. that i can reuse

I have been thinking about all the comments and advice and realized that stock with a couple mods and a good tune will be pretty quick,have plenty of power and be reliable. Does this seem like a good build list?