Engine issues

DaveP

Active member
Re: Engine issues

It has nothing to do with the fuel rails. 3&4 are the leanest running cylinders due to air flow distribution of the intake manifold.

I agree it has nothing to do with fuel pressure distribution in the rails.
I disagree that it is uneven intake air distribution in the intake manifold. While I understand this explanation is widely held and believed on .net, I think for the most part, it's BS. Here's why:

  • We'll assume the fuel at each injector is the same amount. Therefore for #3-4 to be "lean" they would have to be receiving MORE air than the other 4 cyls. This seems unlikely, as airflow against the end walls will 'stack up' against the walls and tend to flow into the end cyls. This will make the center cyls richer as they would receive less air.
  • Air under pressure will flow fairly evenly around obstructions, and deformations in it's path. No so for NA engines, which is well documented in cyl head and air-flow studies. SyTys are under pressure. So airflow is fairly even under boost. Which is where it matters.
  • 15 years of reading SyTy spark plugs has revealed mixture distribution to be fairly uniform.

    Now. I feel it's a temperature issue. Specifically chamber temperature. The center cyls run hotter due to block and cyl head design. Hotter chambers detonate sooner than cooler chambers given other pertinent conditions are the same.
    • Coolant flow is minimal between the cyls. So the center cyls are cooled on each side, but not so much where coolant flows between the cyl walls.. The end cyls each have an additional 90º exposed to coolant flow. Particularly the fronts exposed to the water pump. There are large coolant transfer holes at the REAR of the block that transfer the flow up into the rear of the head, then forward to the thermostat passage where it exits the head. So there is also good flow around the rear of the rear cyls. Thus the end cyls have 270º of good exposure to flow. The center cyls only get 180º of comparable exposure.
    • #3 and 5, and #2 and 4 have adjacent exhaust ports. In small block V8's the center pair of chambers on each bank is known to run hotter because of this configuration. I posit that the same situation exists in a V6. That the exhaust-paired chambers run hotter. EXCEPT that the coolant flow through the head is different [in each of the paired cyls] because of the above coolant flow distribution.

    Conclusion: The center cyls in a SyTy run hotter than the other four because of coolant flow, and cyl head exhaust port design. And therefore the center two cyls detonate first, causing the damage. It's not a "mixture problem". It's a temperature problem.

    Discuss.
    DaveP
 
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Damian

Member
Re: Engine issues

That's sounds reasonable enough, and makes sense.

I'll do a compression test this weekend when I have enough time. I did order my new PCVs from the stealership, will get them later today.

Why couldn't this wait till tax time? I just lost my job a week ago and then this happens. I guess that's how it works.

So what are my options for motors? I would like the Vortec heads done at the same time. I've been looking at RPM engines they have already, who else has them?
 

johnboy89

Member
Re: Engine issues

I feel your pain had a similiar situation on my Ty, broken wastegate vacuum line and then BOOM!!!!!

If I had to do it again I would think about a crate engine, compared to rebuilding......

Some people have done the engine vortec swap, could probably get away alot cheaper, but you will have to learn to tune and modify some things, search on it there is info out there.

One thing I would recommend to any new or existing owner of these vehicles is a knock gage, unfortunately requires code 59 and to build a circuit etc......


Good Luck:)
 

Jimmy

Banned
Re: Engine issues

That's sounds reasonable enough, and makes sense.

I'll do a compression test this weekend when I have enough time. I did order my new PCVs from the stealership, will get them later today.

Why couldn't this wait till tax time? I just lost my job a week ago and then this happens. I guess that's how it works.

So what are my options for motors? I would like the Vortec heads done at the same time. I've been looking at RPM engines they have already, who else has them?
Call Campbell Automotive.IMO their shit doesn't suck ass and they don't say "Um yeah,he ran 60 psi on 82 octane,that's why his shit blew up"
 

Damian

Member
Re: Engine issues

The PCVs fixed the problem of venting out of the vents to the intake tubing. Now it smokes more out of the tail pipe, it filled my garage with blueish smoke. My vacuum is good, -18 to -19, but my idle is still high, about 1200rpms. I can still feel the pulsing going on in the crankcase vents. **** me!!
 

Damian

Member
Re: Engine issues

Oh and I didn't see any bubbles in the radiator. I let the truck idle for about 10 minutes too.
 

Flyin Ryan

hated cuz he drives fords
Re: Engine issues

damn that's horrible man.. do a compression check but my vote is a piston needs loving
 

yar

Donating Member
Re: Engine issues

The PCVs fixed the problem of venting out of the vents to the intake tubing. Now it smokes more out of the tail pipe, it filled my garage with blueish smoke. My vacuum is good, -18 to -19, but my idle is still high, about 1200rpms. I can still feel the pulsing going on in the crankcase vents. **** me!!

If you are out of work and short on money you can just replace the bad piston and drive it,just don't beat on it. I have some good used stock pistons.
Ray
 

Damian

Member
Re: Engine issues

At least I was able to drive from LA, CA to Lincoln, NE and back without any issues. 5k miles on it from me.

I'm going to buy some head gaskets for the time being until I tear the heads off and see how badly I'm going to get bent over. I'm going to pick up new pistons made by Sealed Power, but I'm not sure what ones to get. If there is cylinder wall damage, I'll do an overbore.
 

Damian

Member
Re: Engine issues

Is this kit worth it? I know Im going to need head gaskets and all the other gaskets in there for sure. istons are still up in the air.

Execting to have to buy pistons, which one of these should I get? Im also going to pick up new head bolts as well.
 

Quickstop [UK]

Combating adversyty.
Re: Engine issues

If I were you, I'd go through Hood Tuned Performance or another vendor that supports the site. You'll get the right parts, support the community and get advice, all from the one place. It's worth it.

Please don't get a parts list and shop elsewhere though - these guys shut down if they keep getting burned like that.

Have you budgeted for what you expect to have to pay? You're buying loads of new stuff (bolts, strong gaskets, upgraded pistons).

A little extra would see you with new rods and some billet caps for a rock solid bottom end (as solid as they get without billet cranks etc). You can get carried away of course but if you declared a limit you might get a better recipe from people.

Good luck.
 

Damian

Member
Re: Engine issues

I understand what you are saying about the vendors. I have looked at a few of the vendors websites and their prices aren't on par with my budget. Now, if a vendor or two that are local to souther CA send me a pm with a reasonable price for the items I'm looking for, at least close to what I'm looking at, I'd much rather go through them, even if it means spending a bit more. Especially since I'm a firm believer in "taking care of those that take care of you". I just wish this happened right after I get my tax return, that would really broaden my options.
 

johnboy89

Member
Re: Engine issues

I understand what you are saying about the vendors. I have looked at a few of the vendors websites and their prices aren't on par with my budget. Now, if a vendor or two that are local to souther CA send me a pm with a reasonable price for the items I'm looking for, at least close to what I'm looking at, I'd much rather go through them, even if it means spending a bit more. Especially since I'm a firm believer in "taking care of those that take care of you". I just wish this happened right after I get my tax return, that would really broaden my options.

If you are tight for money, I would wait to see what's wrong before I bought stuff. Take it apart and see what's wrong????

As far as Vendors the last I looked Hood's prices were better than anything I could find elsewhere.....
 

TYTILIDIE

METH HEAD
Re: Engine issues

I have to throw my .02 in on this one. If I were you, I would not consider any modifications. Wait until you realize how to get around your truck first. Right now, it doesn't seem like you really know what you are doing which is fine but, if you want a train wreck of a truck, go ahead and mod it without really knowing what you're doing.

Second, do you know how to build a motor? If so, you can build a stock SYTY motor for less than $2,000.00. I have done it from start to finish with $1,600.00. That was with new pistons. Don't let anyone tell you that Hyperuetectics are garbage because on stock motor with stock turbo or even a 20g they hold up just fine if you have a decent tune. The stock rod also gets no credit, my stock rods went 200,000 miles in which the 100,000 I put on it were mostly hard abused miles. Cant speak for what went on before I bought it.

Lastly, buy Datamaster and log your truck when you do get it back together. This will save you from a lot of headaches in the future. You can't go wrong. Good luck.
 

Damian

Member
Re: Engine issues

Ive havent messed with a domestic motor in quite a long time. I did build up my 02 Eclipse V6 and got it up to 350whp, when stock it put down 186whp. So I can do it, Im just new to this pushrod stuff. Plus I have 2 buddies that went to Wyotech and UTI that are going to help me. I had me Eclipse for 7 years and knew evey bit of it. Each different vehicle acts their own way, I just have to learn the Ty's way.

But I did a compression test on all of the cylinders, all hit 150-160psi but one. The center one on the drivers side put out 30psi and had oil all over the plug. Now I know what I have to do.
 

Damian

Member
Re: Engine issues

I had same issue couple of months ago, smoking and blow by out of oil filler tube. Do compression test. My findings for my old motor were not good. This is #1 piston, all the others OK. I hate to say this, but probably better get mentally prepared to spend a few thousand.

How much cylinder damage was there after this happened? The same thing happened to my Eclipse and I had ZERO wall damage, not even a tiny scratch. I never did find the missing piece of the piston.
 
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