Harmonic balancer.

Sy1566

New member
A few weeks ago I noticed that my Syclone's harmonic balancer is approximately 6" in diameter while my Typhoon's is approximately 8" in diameter. I looked in the engine bay of a friend's Syclone and his is approximately 8" in diameter. All three appear to be OEM harmonic balancers. Would you please check yours and post its diameter?

Also, is there a commonly used one-piece harmonic balancer to replace the two-piece (outer ring/rubber bushing/center piece) OEM unit?

Thanks in advance.
 

Loeryder

New member
Re: Harmonic balancer.

Spend the money on an sfi rated balancer.
Pioneer is a common budget sfi. ATI are $$$ but worth it.
Do NOT reuse factory balancer bolts.
They are stretch bolts and must be torqued to a pretty high spec.
Use ARP w/loctite and they can be re-used.

smaller diameter balancer is also less rotating mass.
Electric fans get even more mass off the front of the motor.
 

Davemc1963

93 Ty Owner
Re: Harmonic balancer.

I dont disagree with Loeryder in some respects, as I do believe you get what you pay for and quality dosen't come cheap. However for a stock truck that only revs to 4500, you dont need an SFI Approved balancer (dampener). There are good products out there that are SFI approved, but that approval is not based on how well it absorbs 'harmonics' but on its safety rating related to rpm and some sfi racing dampeners wont be tuned to absorb the harmonics in the rpm range that a stock dampener would. From a slightly different angle, as I remember when the tci rattler dampener came out, the way it absorbed the harmonics causes it to rattle and this caused false knock on some vehicles. No personal experience on that, I just remember it written about in some magazines at the time and am mentioning it just to to say that there are horses for courses, just like other parts you select for your build. These motors aren't the smoothest, we all know that and GM wouldn't spend $100, when $10 will do, but for me a stock type replacement will work fine on most trucks. However, I'm sure they can be improved upon. Maybe a Streetdamper non sfi (cheaper 'street' version of a Fluidamper) would be a good choice as an upgrade from a stock type elastomer ring type. Just make sure whatever you pick is neutral balanced and correctly indexed to your pointer.
As for your 8" damper, I suspect as long as it fits, allows the crank drive pulleys to be in correct alignment and is neutral balanced, it wont be detrimental. Larger diameter dampeners as a rule of thumb were fitted to higher HP/rpm versions of the sbc for example. The later Vortec 4.3 dampeners are a tad bigger and heavier than ours but I think interfere with the timing tab on our motors. I will stand corrected on that though. Maybe that motor you have revs higher than the stock 4500 or there about? I think 'Hood' sells a dampener, or used to.
 

Sy1566

New member
Re: Harmonic balancer.

I think he's measuring the pulley, not the damper itself. An 8" balancer won't fit under the stock timing tab, and would be a very unusual mod to find on a low-reving street-SyTy. A "Power Pulley" is about 6" in diameter. A stock pulley is 8". I think this is what he found. A Power Pulley.


I think you're right Sir. I believe I measured the pulley and not the balancer itself. But if my pulley is 6" in diameter instead of 8" in diameter as set by the factory, what does that mean as far as performance goes? Does it help the engine perform better? Should I try to find an OEM pulley and replace it?

Thanks
 

Sy1566

New member
Re: Harmonic balancer.

The accessories turn slower, so there's less load on the engine.

Alternator output at idle is nil with a power pulley. A/C performance at idle is compromised. Engine cooling and engine-driven fan is slower, hence higher operating temps.
If you have functioning A/C, and use it frequently on the street (I see you're in FL too) I'd reinstall a stock pulley. If you have electric cooling fans, I'd definately install a stock pulley to regain some alternator output at idle, regardless of how much you use the A/c.

I had power pulleys in two of my SyTy's when I acquired them. The pulleys were replaced with stock as soon as I was able to obtain replacements. I personally don't feel the diminished charging, cooling, and A/C system performance is worth any "performance gains". I don't notice a difference in engine performance with 8" crank pulleys.

You'll also need a longer belt.

Thank you Sir. As always, you're very helpful and I apreciate your input. I checked my engine bay yesterday and indeed I misidentified the part in question in my original post. The harmonic ballancer is the right diameter, but the pulley is not. I'll try finding the OEM size and replace it when I replace the balancer.
 

Sy1566

New member
Re: Harmonic balancer.

Spend the money on an sfi rated balancer.
Pioneer is a common budget sfi. ATI are $$$ but worth it.
Do NOT reuse factory balancer bolts.
They are stretch bolts and must be torqued to a pretty high spec.
Use ARP w/loctite and they can be re-used.

smaller diameter balancer is also less rotating mass.
Electric fans get even more mass off the front of the motor.

Thanks for the information. Do you know where I can find the crank shaft's center bolt?
 

Slyclone

Well-known member
Re: Harmonic balancer.

ARP makes them-

PN 134-2501

OR Its a 5/16-24 thread-pitch piece of hardware.
 
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