Neat Jaguar specific 4L80E site

George Blake

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Found these while playing on the internet:
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Kinda cool seeing what they did to make it work with a Jaguar. The narrow bellhousing and alternative electrical connector are interesting.
 

QUICK STORM

B.A.M.F. BMW Tech
Re: Neat Jaguar specific 4L80E site

hmm....thats interesting to see GM trans making it in all types of vehicles
 

myclone

Donating Member
Re: Neat Jaguar specific 4L80E site

Ok I gotta ask..WTF kinda jag has a xfer case and divorced parking brake?
 

George Blake

DONATING MEMBER
Re: Neat Jaguar specific 4L80E site

:p
It was some kind of Humvee off road project and he kept tearing up 700s so when it comes time for the 4L80E he wanted to have one on hand. Because of the country he was in and the expense of importing a 4L80E for the engine he was using, he sourced one locally and all he could get was one from a Jaguar. He made his own adaptors and everything. Guy is pretty talented.
 

Quickstop [UK]

Combating adversyty.
Re: Neat Jaguar specific 4L80E site

I am pretty new to this stuff but is the 4L80E a torque converter? What does it do (apart from the obvious - converting torque?)

What is the difference between 400s and 700s that people talk about?

Thanks,

Mark
 
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myclone

Donating Member
Re: Neat Jaguar specific 4L80E site

army helo pilot said:
I am pretty new to this stuff but is the 4L80E a torque converter? What does is do (apart from the obvious - converting torque?)

What is the difference between 400s and 700s that people talk about? Thanks,

Mark

Thats a pretty broad question(s) but the basics are that the numbers you see (4l80e, 700r4, th400, etc) are just GMs designation for the different types of transmissions available. As in the 700R4 and the 4L80E are BOTH 4 spd automatic overdrive transmissions for rear wheel drive applications and they perform the exact same function but are completely different in their torque/hp ratings and the manner in which they work internally. Same deal as the difference between a honda accord and a Impala SS....they both serve the same purpose and do the same thing (get from point A to point B) but if you took each car apart and compared the pieces they are completely different machines on the inside.

The 400 and/or 350 numbers you see thrown around on here are the same scenario as in the piece in question is an automatic transmission as and the numbers are just what GM uses to designate the different models of an automatic transmission that has three forward gears (no overdrive) for a rear wheel drive application. Officially they are call Turbo hydromatic 350 or Turbo Hydromatic 400 (TH350 or TH400 for short) and the same differences as the 700 and 80e apply here. The th350 is rated for less hp/tq from the factory as the th400 just like the 700R4 is rated for less hp/tq (a LOT less) than the 4L80E. Basically its just a way to communicate what particular type of transmission your talking about without having to say the entire name. Which would you rather have to say or type multiple times in the same conversation "turbo hydromatic 400" or just "400"? Id pick "400" myself.

To further confuse you the 700R4 was renamed the 4L60 in the early/mid 90s but both are basically the same trans. Later on it the letter "E" was added to the end of the number to specify the trans was Electronically controlled using a PCM (power train control module).

To sum it up for ppl who dont like to wade through my lengthy ramblings:

TH700R4= GM designation for the turbo hydromatic light/medium duty RWD 4 spd overdrive transmission.
4L60=GM just changed the name from 700R4 (there is more but generally speaking and for this conversation thats about it)
4L60E=GM designation for an electronically controlled 4L60/700R4.

4L80E=GM designation for a heavy duty RWD 4 spd automatic overdrive transmission that is electronically controlled.

TH400=GM designation for the turbo hydromatic heavy duty RWD 3 spd automatic transmission.
TH350=GM designation for the turbo hydromatic light/medium duty RWD 3 spd automatic transmission.

Lastly there isnt a universal designation for some of the above transmissions among gear heads. As in you'll hear ppl call a turbo hydromatic 400 transmission a "400" or "turbo 400" or "TH (pronounced tee-aitch) 400".....the same deal with the TH350. The TH700R4 is commonly called a "700" as well as the 4L80E being just called an "80E" for short. All of these transmissions multiply torque using the internal gear ratios as well as a torque converter which is directly driven by crank shaft of the engine.

Class dismissed and there will be a pop quiz at the end of the week ;)
 

'JustDreamin'

Dream: 6LV8 Turbo Bravada
Re: Neat Jaguar specific 4L80E site

So, a few more pieces of information for the sponge....

The 4L80E is basically a TH400 with an overdrive gear (.75:1) added to it. Not exactly that simple, since that required changing ALOT of the parts, but the basics of it are the same.

The 4L80 was produced first, which was not electronically controlled. Wasn't used for long, because letting the PCM determine when to shift and how (firmness, etc) is a better way.

Another variation you'll see is the 200R4, which is the 4 speed automatic used in Turbo Buicks (Grand Nationals and such). However, it is of little use to Syclones or Typhoons, because it was never offered in a 4wd application and can't be readily set up for one.

GM's current naming theory is as follows
Example: 4L80E.
4 stands for # of gears. Could also have a 3, 5, or 6 there
L stands for Longitudinal (rear drive / conventional 4wd) Other choice is T, which is for Transverse (transaxle)
80 is the power rating (relative to other transmissions, not a rating in Ft-lbs or Hp). 30 is really weak, 60 is tolerable, 85 is stronger still
E is for electronically controlled.

So, some examples of current transmission nomenclature:
3L80 (renamed TH400)
4L60E (electronically controlled 700R4)
4L65E (updated and theoretically strengthened 4L60E)
4L70E (a little stonger version of the 4L65E)
6L80E (brand new 6 speed transmission available in C6 Vette, a couple of Caddies, and the new Tahoe (and soon to be released Suburbans, and Pickups)).

Alright, this concludes today's lesson.

'JustDreamin'
 

Quickstop [UK]

Combating adversyty.
Re: Neat Jaguar specific 4L80E site

Would a 6L80E be a bad thing on our trucks? Higher gears, better fuel economy perhaps?
 

'JustDreamin'

Dream: 6LV8 Turbo Bravada
Re: Neat Jaguar specific 4L80E site

A 6L80E could be a great thing.

However, at this point, not only is the tranny pretty hard to get (only being available in '06 Vettes, a couple of Caddy models, and the new '07 Tahoe's and soon to be released Suburbans) but it uses a special 32 bit transmission controller. So, you'd have to either swap that in or design your own controller (since there is no aftermarket unit available yet)

I'm not sure how useful it'd be. Turbo motors like some load. 1st gear'd be pretty steep, not sure how long you could make it usable.

'JustDreamin'
 
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