New TY, need rebuilt?

[93 Ty]

Hi all, just bought my Ty two weeks ago and already have many q's. Anyway, I posted another topic about getting smoke in the vehicle. I think it's just coming from the engine and not electrical problems. So.. forget that topic and here are my q's.

1. Took off crankcase cap, lot's of white smoke puffing out. PCV is vented into atmosphere with a hose, smoke coming out of there, too. Before I bought the car, the guy did tell me that it smokes a little and it was the valve stem seal and not much to worry about. You can see the smoke coming from underneath the hood.
Do I need to worry?
2. On start ups black/milky/oily liquid at exhaust pipe (white smoke) As far as I can tell the liquid and smoke are gone after the car warms up.
what does this mean?
3.Car starts up ok and than stumbles and dies, start it up again, dies again, start again and gives a little gas and idles ok. Tune up, maybe?
Anything to worry about here?
Overall I THINK the truck runs ok, not an expert just the smoking worrys me. No signs of leakage just some residue here and there. Thanks, Steve
Great Board.

P.S Anyone in Colorado that are willing to take a peek at my car. Lunch on me :lol:

 

[truckins10]

First thing I would do is take the truck in a shop and get thm to run a compression test on the engine to see how much cylinder leakage you have . That will tell you weather to bother looking at any other problem in case the engine is bad. They can also tell if its burning oil when they take the plugs out . Thats what I would do.

 

[Jimmy]

Re: New TY, need rebuilt?

Hi all, just bought my Ty two weeks ago and already have many q's. Anyway, I posted another topic about getting smoke in the vehicle. I think it's just coming from the engine and not electrical problems. So.. forget that topic and here are my q's.

1. Took off crankcase cap, lot's of white smoke puffing out. PCV is vented into atmosphere with a hose, smoke coming out of there, too. Before I bought the car, the guy did tell me that it smokes a little and it was the valve stem seal and not much to worry about. You can see the smoke coming from underneath the hood.
Do I need to worry?

might be a blown head gasket,cracked head,or blowby.Either way,it's not good.

2. On start ups black/milky/oily liquid at exhaust pipe (white smoke) As far as I can tell the liquid and smoke are gone after the car warms up.
what does this mean?

Prepare to spend some money cause something ain't right.

3.Car starts up ok and than stumbles and dies, start it up again, dies again, start again and gives a little gas and idles ok. Tune up, maybe?
Anything to worry about here?

It's a truck,not a car.It's probably running rich,has vacuum leaks,and internal problems.Welcome to our nightmare.

I THINK the truck runs ok, not an expert just the smoking worrys me. No signs of leakage just some residue here and there. Thanks, Steve
Great Board.

Good luck.

 

[dgoodhue]

Re: New TY, need rebuilt?

1. Took off crankcase cap, lot's of white smoke puffing out. PCV is vented into atmosphere with a hose, smoke coming out of there, too. Before I bought the car, the guy did tell me that it smokes a little and it was the valve stem seal and not much to worry about. You can see the smoke coming from underneath the hood.
Do I need to worry?

On the syty.org buyers guide, read #2

http://www.syty.org/old/buyers.html

 

[fiveoh]

this is what i posted in your original post, like i stated before the sympyoms you have are identical to mine. and mine wasnt a valve guide seal(eventhough they did smoke at start up, but most all of them do).
the only way to find out is to DO A COMPRESSION TEST DO A COMPRESSION TEST DO A COMPRESSION TEST DO A COMPRESSION TEST DO A COMPRESSION TEST DO A COMPRESSION TEST. i think you get the importance of the compression test. it should be done soon because you could be damaging your block by scoring your cyl wall with pieces of the piston breaking apart like mine did :tdown: good luck and weclome to the world of fun and headaches :rock: :rock: :rock: :2cents:

:2cents: :2cents: :2cents: :2cents: :2cents: and get ready to kiss some money good bye!

HERE IS MY ORIGINAL RESPONSE
the same thing happened in my truck, and i needed a rebuild to solve the problem as i burnt up the #4 cylinder piston. do a compression check and see if you have one bad cylinder, then do a leak down test to see if it is a stuck vavle or bad piston. im gonna be 95% stcuk on you are getting blow by from a collapsed ring or burnt piston and will need a rebuild.
this is jsut from my experience and could be wrong. for your benefit i hope i am wrong
hth
bryan

 

[11secty]

my ty did the same thing exactly.. time for a rebuild cause the rings are broken :tdown:

 

[Jimmy]

This thread is a prime example of what happens when you buy somebody's "story" instead of the vehicle on it's merits.

I'd make Windy City Motorsports take it back.They broke it off up in you unfortunately. :-?

 

[93 Ty]

Guys, thanks for the replies. I called Windy Motorsports today and talked to their top master mechanic who stated that he had 2 sy's and 1 ty before and that there is nothing wrong with the ty I bought, and that if I route the hose (the hose from the valve cover) to the air filter that the smoke would circulate in the engine and come out the exhaust pipe. Also about the black/milky/oily liquid from the exhaust he said it is just turbo carbon buildup and thats common. He said I'm worrying too much and the truck is fine. He said I can drive the truck how it is and it won't break down. I will take it to the shop on Monday and have a compression check and go from there. Oh, if I do need a rebuild, how much am I looking at. Thanks, Steve

 

[bigtime]

Guys, thanks for the replies. I called Windy Motorsports today and talked to their top master mechanic who stated that he had 2 sy's and 1 ty before and that there is nothing wrong with the ty I bought, and that if I route the hose (the hose from the valve cover) to the air filter that the Alsosmoke would circulate in the engine and come out the exhaust pipe. about the black/milky/oily liquid from the exhaust he said it is just turbo carbon buildup and thats common. He said I'm worrying too much and the truck is fine. He said I can drive the truck how it is and it won't break down. I will take it to the shop on Monday and have a compression check and go from there. Oh, if I do need a rebuild, how much am I looking at. Thanks, Steve

WHAT??????

 

[odium]

Hahhaa, if the valve cover is routed in to the intake manifold, it should not smoke. Mine has the PCV valve doing this exact same thing and no smoke. I've also never heard of turbo carbon buildup causing black/milky/oily liquid from the exhaust.

If you can see smoke from a closed hood, something is f'ed. Is your passenger side or driver side valve cover vented to the atmosphere? Both? Something is definately not right with that truck from the way you described it...

You could be running *extremely* rich... Just a thought.

Windy Motorsports? Where are you located? There might be a knoledgeable Sy/Ty owner in your area that can help you out more in depth.

Be prepared to get a few headaches over this...

Anybody else reading this: How are your valve covers vented? My drivers is vented to atmosphere w/ a K&N filter, but the passenger side has a PCV valve running in to the intake before the turbo.

 

[Jimmy]

Guys, thanks for the replies. I called Windy Motorsports today and talked to their top master mechanic who stated that he had 2 sy's and 1 ty before and that there is nothing wrong with the ty I bought, and that if I route the hose (the hose from the valve cover) to the air filter that the smoke would circulate in the engine and come out the exhaust pipe. Also about the black/milky/oily liquid from the exhaust he said it is just turbo carbon buildup and thats common. He said I'm worrying too much and the truck is fine. He said I can drive the truck how it is and it won't break down. I will take it to the shop on Monday and have a compression check and go from there. Oh, if I do need a rebuild, how much am I looking at. Thanks, Steve

:haha:
Master mechanic my ass.You talked to some $7/hr retarded parts changing monkey.Engines don't circulate smoke,they burn fual and oxygen.He needs to be punched in the mouth for saying something so stupid.If he knew anything,then he'd know your engine is fubar.Sorry man,but they lied to you.Those queers are just jerking you around.You were told that the engine was rebuilt right? But it needs valve seals??
Yeah right.More like needs to actually be rebuilt.
Trust us,we know these trucks,cause we work on them.

Man I really don't know what to tell you,because I have the feeling that those guys are just gonna blow you off. You get a compression test,they'll say it must have got hurt after you received it.

Damn....

Oh yeah, a decent rebuild will cost 3-4k

 

[93 Ty]

Odiwik, my driver side pcv is vented into the atmosphere with a hose and nothing else. There is smoke coming out of there too. I'm located in Colorado, Denver area.

Jimmy, Windy Motorsports sells cars on Ebay. I can threaten them with a negative feedback and try to get them to take the truck back or pay for a engine rebuilt. We'll see what happens when I take it in Monday. This certainly sucks :tdown: Thanks, Steve

 

[dgoodhue]

Tell him to shove the air filter hose up his a$$ to see if smoke comes out his mouth. It a bunch of BS. Have them do a compression check, one of the cylinder is going to come back bad. This is a classic case of a broken ring or piston.

 

[mduffy]

I agree w/ Dave. They are jerking you around. You not only have a broken ring or piston but if you have white milky substance in your tailpipe you have a cracked head or blown head gasket. The white mikly substance is coolant getting into your combustion chamber and then blown out through the exhaust. Check you oil. What does it look like on the dip stick? My bet is that it is white & milky also as the coolant is also blowing past your broken piston/ring and getting into your oil pan.

 

[DOMN8R]

you may want to consider taking it to a gmc dealer (I know, bear with me) to have them check it out and write down on paper what they think is wrong with it. the reason is that you will need WRITTEN ammo to back you up regarding this in the future - whether it'll be for ebay, the windy manager, bbb, court, etc...

trust me if you have nothing in WRITING within 30 days of buying the car, from a reputable mechanic (in a judge's eyes), you have no case. like dave said they are bs'ing you and I can tell you the more time that passes without anything in writing, the better it is for them. also ask their mechanic to put in WRITING (signed, or have him fax you) what he said about the problem or have a witness to him saying that.

 

[Jimmy]

Jimmy, Windy Motorsports sells cars on ebay Thanks, Steve

Yeah I know,sorry to see you get fucked on your purchase.
I don't think bad feedback is gonna scare them,or they wouldn't have sold you a blown up truck in the first place.Caveat emptor dude,always.

Good luck,let us know what happens.

 

[sleepy]

You might want to have an oil sample analysis done. I know that coolant in the oil will make short work of the bushings in the turbo. This would be some good ammunition for a lawyer to have a look at too. Any white milky stuff in the exhaust means there may be some in the oil too. Check with a shop that does diesel work, they focus a lot of time on oil sampling for chasing warranty claims.

Good luck...

 

[93 Ty]

Hey everyone, update on the ty. Took it to the shop, did a compression check and found out that cylinder #1 was not fully functional. All the other cylinders were find, valves, o-rings looked good, plugs looked good. They will dig more into it more tomorrow so well see. they will check the radiator and maybe the turbo if needed. I'm not 100% sure that these guys know what they doing or looking for. It has been two days and all they did was compression and took apart the motor but it sounds like they couldn't tell me what was exactly wrong with the truck. Yes, it is a dealer shop. Oh, well it the best I can find.

Sleepy, I checked the oil (dipstick) and didn't notice and coolant on it, of course I can be wrong. Can dealers do oil samples, is it expensive?

What else should I tell them to look for? thanks, Steve

 

[fiveoh]

tell tehm to look for a big hole in the piston , make sure you find out what was wrong with it, and have it repaired correctly, did you take it back to the place you bought it? hav eyou had contact with them to see how they are going to resolve the issue? I would take it to respectible engine builder and make your dealer pay the bill! :rock:

 

[midnightbluS10]

you may want to consider taking it to a gmc dealer (I know, bear with me) to have them check it out and write down on paper what they think is wrong with it. the reason is that you will need WRITTEN ammo to back you up regarding this in the future - whether it'll be for ebay, the windy manager, bbb, court, etc...

I don't understand the problem with taking one's vehicle to the dealer. The Chevy dealership down the road has 10, yes I said 10, world class technicians. Thats more than any other I know of. I'd rather take my truck there than almost anywhere else. I know it's not a SyTy, but still.