Proper engine temperature / thermostat?

anryo

Donating Member
What is proper engine working temp for daily-driver, with full rebuilt engine with forged pistons/rods and all other reliability mods, running on custom ECU?
Asking, because I need new thermostat anyway and with new ECU I can also change temp where my electric fans kick on.
Coolest might always not be the best for daily, as mileage will suffer, if correct temperature is not reached.
 

anryo

Donating Member
Re: Proper engine temperature / thermostat?

But what was the "factory" thermostat on Typhoons?
 

dgoodhue

BuSTeD 4.3
Re: Proper engine temperature / thermostat?

Factory is 195. Most of use a 160 thermostat. I use a 160. I have my electric fans turn on at 170.
 

Davemc1963

93 Ty Owner
Re: Proper engine temperature / thermostat?

My Ty was fitted with a 160 stat when I aquired it. It came from Japan and being rust free then, I suspect that it was a warm part.
It seemed to always take a long time to fully warm up, but ran OK.

I fitted a 180 and it seemed to suit our UK climate/temperatures better, particularly during shorter journeys. The heater worked better/more quickly.

Once the vehicle is fully warm, I suspect that there may not be a great difference in the two, as they will both be open, but as the majority of my journeys are short, I like my engines to get to temperature, so that I can 'drive it' without worry and to try and avoid the build up of condensation, particularly in winter.

As already posted, I believe the factory spec is 195.

Up to you, but if you have moderate to cold temperatures where you live and do 'short journeys' I personally would fit a hotter stat for the reasons I stated, but thats just my personal opinion.
 

Couger1968

Dazed and Confused
Re: Proper engine temperature / thermostat?

I run a 180. I read once that on a factory truck a 160 might cause trouble. Wisconsin is never warm anyways.
 

Jimmy

Banned
Re: Proper engine temperature / thermostat?

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The hotter an engine runs, the more power it makes. You want the heat of combustion pushing the piston down in the hole, not being dissipated through the cooling system.

160 degree stats don't allow adequate heater operation even in California. A 180 seems adequate in most of the driving I've done. If I lived in the snow belt, and frequently drove it in sub-freezing temps, I'd probably go for a 195.

The stock PROM has warm-up compensation into the 170's. With a 160, the system will never get out of warm-up enrichment because CTS never gets hot enough.

DesertSy has a 180. It runs in round-town driving at 182-184-ish on a Tech-1. I don't know what PrOM it has, but the IC pump comes on at 183, and is off at 182. So if I had a 160, the IC pump would never come on at all. No, I don't like the "hot wired" IC pump for several reasons, so I don't do it. I've observed that after a boosted run, CTS is high enough from the additional load that the IC pump is on, so it runs after an interval of operation at elevated (boosted) loading like it needs to, but doesn't run when it doesn't need to. Like during warm-up, or running down the interstate for hoiurs at a time during a cross-country trip.

And a last thought is that engines produced during this period (20-30 years ago) were designed with piston / wall clearances that were adequate to prevent scuffing during warm-up, but became tighter at "operating temperature" to ensure quiet running, and long engine life. That designed "operating temperature" was 195 degrees. Piston stability is crucial to maintaining the ring to wall seal. If the piston is rocking around because it isn't hot enough to become stable, blow-by at the ring results in lost power, contaminated lube oil, and increased wear.

Most SyTy's never leave the garage if they even run at all. So what the installed thermostat temperature is doesn't really matter. But for the handful of owners left that still drive their trucks regularly, there's some food for thought.
Great discussion Dave. My question is this(and I don't know if it even matters)

What is the difference between open loop and closed loop? I'm thinking that they change due to engine temp?
 

Damian

Member
Re: Proper engine temperature / thermostat?

B
Great discussion Dave. My question is this(and I don't know if it even matters)

What is the difference between open loop and closed loop? I'm thinking that they change due to engine temp?

Closed loop uses all sensors, while open loop uses some of them. I don't know for sure exactly which sensors the ECU doesn't use, but I know the O2 sensor is one of them.
 

dgoodhue

BuSTeD 4.3
Re: Proper engine temperature / thermostat?

That's why I asked. Closed loop without a wideband doesn't make any sense to me.

The stock narrow band O2 sensors are accurate around 14.7:1 afr which what the ECM is trying to control when in closed loop.
 

anryo

Donating Member
Re: Proper engine temperature / thermostat?

My Ty was fitted with a 160 stat when I aquired it. It came from Japan and being rust free then, I suspect that it was a warm part.
It seemed to always take a long time to fully warm up, but ran OK.

I fitted a 180 and it seemed to suit our UK climate/temperatures better, particularly during shorter journeys. The heater worked better/more quickly.

Once the vehicle is fully warm, I suspect that there may not be a great difference in the two, as they will both be open, but as the majority of my journeys are short, I like my engines to get to temperature, so that I can 'drive it' without worry and to try and avoid the build up of condensation, particularly in winter.

As already posted, I believe the factory spec is 195.

Up to you, but if you have moderate to cold temperatures where you live and do 'short journeys' I personally would fit a hotter stat for the reasons I stated, but thats just my personal opinion.
Thank you!
That's exactly what I was after for, as I want to drive it daily. Usually we have about 20F temperatures in the winter, but it might get even to sub-zero range on very cold days.
 
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