Stock appearing turbos...

[Will_in_China]

Only one thread from the archives and nothing on the BB.
The archives post was between lew and dig in 1997!

Who's running the TD06H-20G-14cm still?
What's changed since then?
Ceramics and dual ball bearings?

Are there any other direct bolt up turbos that don't suck?
Still under GM warranty, and looking for more power.

PTE52/50lb/Ultimate once warranty is up, just looking for a stop gap for the next 18 months...

You know, bolt directly on, avoid hassle, leave dealership clueless (hard to do right?).

-Will

 

[JSM]

I have a 20g with 14. I like it, have 9/11 otherwise might be a bit laggy.

Be ready to upgrade over winter. But some idiot in Ohio...i think his name is jackass, or something....O yea, DARON... already wants it...

Great turbo for mild performance. going to try to see what limit is, before I pull it off. Looks almost bone stock, hard for most to be able to tell.

 

[bdubb]

20g10cm2 is a nice stock upgrade that will spool just as fast as a stocker.

 

[Tooky]

Does the 10cm2 have equal spool to the stock 17G-8cm2 still using the stock torque converter?

What CFM improvement is it? Anyone using one?

 

[TurboManiacal]

I don't know why everyone is worried about Will having the proper TQ converter for spooling...I'm sure his roommate has one or ten or twenty lying around somewhere....

 

[Tooky]

No I was thinking for my truck...

 

[TurboManiacal]

well then...to my knowledge the 10cm2 is a bit restrictive but okay for use while a 14cm2 is too loose. Idealy a 12cm2 (which is relatively unheard of and would require a customized turbo) would be what you would want for a stock converter...this all coming from what I remember reading from BG back in the day...

 

[Maxtor]

I'm running the 20g with a 12cm2 housing right now. Had the stock converter in for a while, definitely more lag at the start than the stock housing. Hard to get boost off the line. Installed the 9/11 and it is perfect with the 12cm2. Looks stock all the way through and very easy to install. I bought the housing from Chan.

Before this, I had a 20g with a 8cm2 housing. This worked great as a stock truck with a very mild bump in performance. I dropped 3 tenths in the 1/8 mile after installing the 20g 8cm2 turbo with nothing else changed.

 

[ticlone]

20g10cm2...?

20g10cm2...?

Who if anybody sells the 20g10cm2? Cost?

 

[Coloty]

Will-

My brother is running the 20g 14cm turbo right now and likes it (is going to a TE45 soon though). It does have lag on the street even with the KB 11" converter because of that huge hot side. But, once that bad boy spools up it has some good top end power ( c-470 balsts from say 60 to 110 are sweet) you should take a look at it and see what you think. The dealers in this area would have no idea it wasn't stock.

 

[Will_in_China]

I don't know why everyone is worried about Will having the proper TQ converter for spooling...I'm sure his roommate has one or ten or twenty lying around somewhere....

Don't worry, If it comes out it's getting one...
This one's warrantied still though.
The dealer even put a 9/11 in my Sy with GMPP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
These particualar dealership guys are cool though.
If the trans has to come out, a 9/11 is going in, until then, left alone.

 

[Will_in_China]

Will-

My brother is running the 20g 14cm turbo right now and likes it (is going to a TE45 soon though). It does have lag on the street even with the KB 11" converter because of that huge hot side. But, once that bad boy spools up it has some good top end power ( c-470 balsts from say 60 to 110 are sweet) you should take a look at it and see what you think. The dealers in this area would have no idea it wasn't stock.

Is that the one Cheatham had on for a while?
I would love to take a look...

What is your brother Dan's email?
I'll add him to the mhst list...
PM me if you want to keep it off the BB for whatever reason.

-Will

 

[TurboManiacal]

hey will...which dealership? I shagged cars for Emich GMC when they were still on Arapahoe.

 

[Will_in_China]

20g10cm2 is a nice stock upgrade that will spool just as fast as a stocker.

Nice being 650cfm and half a second and 3mph?


-Will

 

[Will_in_China]

hey will...which dealership? I shagged cars for Emich GMC when they were still on Arapahoe.

My good buddy Ron Barrett was a sales guy at that Emich!
He was there when they were shipping Sy's!!!
Not the BIG Emich that had ALL the Sy's in Golden where they raced the Ferrari.
He worked there up until a year or two ago, they moved to "dealership row" on Countly Line.
They started sucking real bad, so he quit and I went down the road a little to the Chevy shop.

The cool dealership is the Ed Bozo (Bozarth) right there on county line, it just changed names... It was a Jerry Roth...

Very cool guys.

 

[Will_in_China]

well then...to my knowledge the 10cm2 is a bit restrictive but okay for use while a 14cm2 is too loose. Idealy a 12cm2 (which is relatively unheard of and would require a customized turbo) would be what you would want for a stock converter...this all coming from what I remember reading from BG back in the day...

Is there anything that can be done to a 14cm to make it spool better?
Bearings, ceramic coating, etc... (Torque Converter... HAHA!)

If not maybe the 8 is obtainable like maxtor used, or a 12 if chan is still doing stuff, correct?

What about taking a 14cm and doing crap too it to get it to spool with a stock TC.
Maybe bumping tip-in timing a boatload?
Green, any thoughts on that?
My msd had a manual in-cab base timing controller and cranking it up helped lag.

Thanks for all the info guys!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


-Will

 

[TurboManiacal]

I remember ron...and remember reading about the Ferrari race with the 3 white Syclone Challenge 92 Sy's...

Remember the Lambo in Dumb & Dumber was an Emich privately owned car.

My buddy Greg Ryball is a service writer there at Bozo. Greg was writing at emich when I worked there.

Funny thing was is that between my dad and me we had bought 6 different cars from Emich and after they sold out to that jacknutz in Florida (biggest car guy in america) he couldn't get another deal..so he went down to Roth and plunked cash down for a chebby tahoe and saved 6g's instantly. The reason Emich turned sucky was because of them selling out like Elway did.

OMG have I hijacked this post. My bad...I'm sorry.

 

[Coloty]

Will...............you should have a PM

 

[Will_in_China]

I remember ron...and remember reading about the Ferrari race with the 3 white Syclone Challenge 92 Sy's...

Remember the Lambo in Dumb & Dumber was an Emich privately owned car.

My buddy Greg Ryball is a service writer there at Bozo. Greg was writing at emich when I worked there.

Funny thing was is that between my dad and me we had bought 6 different cars from Emich and after they sold out to that jacknutz in Florida (biggest car guy in america) he couldn't get another deal..so he went down to Roth and plunked cash down for a chebby tahoe and saved 6g's instantly. The reason Emich turned sucky was because of them selling out like Elway did.

OMG have I hijacked this post. My bad...I'm sorry.

Dude, Greg is one of my buds!!!!
When have you talked to him last?
I talk to him like every week...
He is a badass!!!
Jeremy in parts too.
and Dan is a great service tech.
They make dealerships not suck!


You hijacked from me, so don't sweat it, just make some stock turbo comments!!!!

-Will

 

[Coloty]

Matt Burns is the Service Manager over at Elway (old Emich) GMC on county line right by Bozo. He has a 93 Phoon and is quite helpful on service and parts.