Trailblazer SS T-case?

matthimself456

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Hey guys Im new here (but I did search.) I don't have a syty, or plans to get one, but the idea of an AWD hotrod has caught my attention lately. My question is this: The Torsen T-3 type differential in the Trailblazer SS is really interesting to me. I have played with Torsen diffs at school in fsae and they are like beautiful mechanical magic. I was wondering (hoping) if the TBSS transfer case has the same case to transmission tailhousing bolt pattern as the syty case? Same 27 spline input too? I guess the bolt pattern does not matter much as my plan is to use a t-56 with a C5 Corvette tailhousing and fabricated steel adapter to the transfer case like that guy with the Merkur did (but with the shifter moved up onto the main trans housing to simplify fabrication and get the shifter out of the back seat.) Also, if some drain plugs, fill plugs, and vent tubes were moved around coud I run either this or the syty case upside down...like clocked about 120 degrees to obtain a passenger side drop? Any help would sure be appreciated.
 

kessler

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Re: Trailblazer SS T-case?

Well you need to find out what type of T-Case is in the TBSS. The Sy/Ty has a Borgwarner 4472. If you do a little bit of looking around you will see that there is a Late 70s-early 80s Vett that is AWD using a Front diff and the T-Case out of a SY/TY.
 

matthimself456

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Re: Trailblazer SS T-case?

Thats the thing...I cant seem to find who makes the t-case from the TBSS. The differential inside it is a Torsen design made by the Gleason Works about 2 miles from where I live but I do not think they manufacture the whole transfer case.
 

kessler

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Re: Trailblazer SS T-case?

go to the Dealer and crawl under one with a Flash light and take a look, I tried searching and i cant find the specs on just the t-case. Sorry.
 

TYTILIDIE

METH HEAD
Re: Trailblazer SS T-case?

The problem yould have with flipping hte SYTY case around like htat is that there is a vent tube on top. If you could somehow plug it iff and make a new one I guess you could do it but you may also have problems with the angle yould get stuck with. The adapter for that would be hard to make I would think with the bolt pattern difference and all.
 

matthimself456

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Re: Trailblazer SS T-case?

The TBSS case seems to be a big mystery. I work for GM so I am going to see if I can dig up some info somewhere. As far as what kind of car I will be building I have not totally settled on one yet. Basically whatever is small, light, and as close to free as possible. I was actually thinking about a C3 vette as shells can be had cheap but I see that has already been done. Other alternatives include old Saabs, Datsuns, etc. Maybe an old z-car. Whatever I end up with will get a good amount of engine setback, a super wide stance, some big fender flares, and a mostly custom chassis. It will end up an all out road race style speed machine with no creature comforts but I do want something street legal. For an engine I will probably start with an LT1 becuase they are cheap and have a lot of potential. A gen III motor would be sweet, though, and Ive always wanted to build a killer Cadillac Northstar. Something about a 9500rpm redline with just some valvetrain upgrades is really attractive to me. All opinions and ideas are definitely welcome, along with any donations if you have a cool old body just sitting around.... :)
 

'JustDreamin'

Dream: 6LV8 Turbo Bravada
Re: Trailblazer SS T-case?

Here's a media blurb from GM. TBSS uses a 4L70E, which is sa derivative of the 700R4. I wouls expect it to use the same 27 spline output shaft that all 700R4's / 4L60E / 65E use. http://media.gm.com/us/chevrolet/en/product_services/r_trucks/r_c_trailblazer/index.html

The vette tailshaft housing (or whatever you'd call it) with a custom adapter would be the way I'd approach it too (I've thought about the very same type of project). I thought I saw Keisler or one of the other T56 vendors offering a shifter on the main case (the inspection plate ahead of the tailshaft housing) but when I went to look at it last, I couldn't find any info.

I don't think the adapter would be all that hard, if you can address the shifter in another location. If that's the case, it gets to be a set of flanges with a spacer (tubing or pipe or something) in between to set tcase in the correct location. Would be best (with whatever you do) to make it such that you can do the welding, then flatten the flanges (skim cuts with a mill) and then locate the bolt patterns / holes in the flanges, so that you don't have to worry about alignment during welding (because it WILL move, especially with the amount of heat required to get a good solid weld).

These guys ask the same question. The SilvySS tcase is definitely a NV149. The answer posted for the TBSS, I don't see any reference to anywhere else. http://www.silveradoss.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=40216&pid=466235&st=0&#entry466235

Take a peek at Car-Part.com. There were 7 listings for 2006 TBSS tcases, ranging from $625 to $950 (and a $Call). I'm sure one of those yards would be willing to verify the spline count / configuration for you (especially if you sounded like you might buy one).

Another resource would be Rockland Standard Gear. RSGear's George Kreppein (he's in charge of reman's) is very knowledgeable, and probably can help you with both of your issues (front shifter, and tcase info). RSGear builds the Tranzilla T56, which is rated for 1200hp / 1000 ft lbs. However, I must add that that uses the Viper 30 spline output shaft, which isn't likely to do much good if you need a GM 27 or 32 spline setup. Their C5 units are rated for 850 ft lbs (due to the smaller output shaft).

I have to say that George was very helpful in building the tcase for my truck. I've got a NV146 (which doesn't really exist). Basically, its a NV246 with no low range. Its a NV136 with 32 spline input, and the 4L80E mounting face, but is controlled just like the NV136 that came out of my Bravada.

Good luck, and keep us posted.

'JustDreamin'
 

'JustDreamin'

Dream: 6LV8 Turbo Bravada
Re: Trailblazer SS T-case?

Might also suggest that you contact the folks at Torsen (after the holidays, since they appear to be on Winter Break). They're the ones supplying the guts (might even be the entire tcase, but I doubt it) of the TBSS center differential.

Another suggestion. Think seriously about what axles you want to utilize. The front axle in the Sy / Ty / etc isn't a bad unit, but there aren't any aftermarket parts available (ie no limited slip or Torsen available). The Ford 8.8 diff is available in both solid and independent configurations for both front and rear applications (8.8 IFS was used on the Expedition, 8.8 IRS is / was used on the Explorer and Cobra, for example). And the aftermarket support for those axles is much better (gearset availablility and LSD differentials).

EDIT: A passenger's side axle assembly may work (as you were talking about), but you'll want to consider where that gets you. Typically, the starter sits on the passenger's side, which will limit how close the input shaft of the front diff can get to the block. The drivers side on a SBC (Classic, LT1, or LS1) have oil filter provisions, which can fairly easily be remoted for clearance.

'JustDreamin'
 
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Darius

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Re: Trailblazer SS T-case?

I'm a lurker here on the list. I don't own a Sy or Ty but have driven both in stock configuration. Maybe someone in the Salt Lake City area, with a "warmed over" truck, will offer me a ride -- once the darn snow leaves and there is a chance for the tires to hook up.

I follow this list for several reasons:

I'm an old hot-rodder with a long history of forced induction and have long admired what GMC did with your trucks. Secondly, and in line with the current thread, I am building an AWD vehicle to be my daily driver. It too will be turbocharged, run a 4L80E and a NV149 transfer case and a 8.8 IRS from a Ford Thunderbird (3.08 gears), which will have a Torsen differential. Now for the "really dare to be different" part. The vehicle body is a 1950 Studebaker, 4 Door, Champion with an original weight of 2750 lbs. That body now sits on a 1985 S-10, 4X4, standard cab, long-bed frame. The engine is a 500 cubic inch Cadillac. My turbos are two Garrett GT-37v, 82 mm, VNT units.

Happy New Year everyone!!

Darius
 

95xtreme

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Re: Trailblazer SS T-case?

Darius said:
I'm a lurker here on the list. I don't own a Sy or Ty but have driven both in stock configuration. Maybe someone in the Salt Lake City area, with a "warmed over" truck, will offer me a ride -- once the darn snow leaves and there is a chance for the tires to hook up.

I follow this list for several reasons:

I'm an old hot-rodder with a long history of forced induction and have long admired what GMC did with your trucks. Secondly, and in line with the current thread, I am building an AWD vehicle to be my daily driver. It too will be turbocharged, run a 4L80E and a NV149 transfer case and a 8.8 IRS from a Ford Thunderbird (3.08 gears), which will have a Torsen differential. Now for the "really dare to be different" part. The vehicle body is a 1950 Studebaker, 4 Door, Champion with an original weight of 2750 lbs. That body now sits on a 1985 S-10, 4X4, standard cab, long-bed frame. The engine is a 500 cubic inch Cadillac. My turbos are two Garrett GT-37v, 82 mm, VNT units.

Happy New Year everyone!!

Darius

Cool!!! do you have any pictures?
 

Darius

New member
Re: Trailblazer SS T-case?

95xtreme said:
Cool!!! do you have any pictures?

Yes, I have pictures at various stages of the project. Just need to learn how to upload them. Progress is currently stalled due to extreme cold weather.

Darius
 

'JustDreamin'

Dream: 6LV8 Turbo Bravada
Re: Trailblazer SS T-case?

Darius said:
Yes, I have pictures at various stages of the project. Just need to learn how to upload them. Progress is currently stalled due to extreme cold weather.

Darius
I'd suggest creating a CarDomain page (or 6) for your project. Cost is right (free). Fairly easy to do, as well.

'JustDreamin'
 

Philntex

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Re: Trailblazer SS T-case?

The Trailblazer SS uses an NV 120 with a unique Torsen center differential. This is an automatic torque-sensing center differential that detects slippage mechanically and sends torque to the non-slipping axle.
 

James Thomas

"NO CLASS"
Re: Trailblazer SS T-case?

Ok..... coupleof dumb questions since I know didly about X-fer cases. Is this NV 120 better than what we have and if so will it fit our trucks?

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James
 

jbone

Member
Re: Trailblazer SS T-case?

James Thomas said:
Ok..... coupleof dumb questions since I know didly about X-fer cases. Is this NV 120 better than what we have and if so will it fit our trucks?

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James

im wondering the same
 

Aeroking

e.i.
Re: Trailblazer SS T-case?

I gotta change my SS's oil this week, so the truck will be up in the air, i'll snap all the pics of the T-case you guys want.
 
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