Turbo Gaskets?

SacDoug

Member
I pulled my turbo off last night to port it and I noticed that there were no gaskets on the crossover pipe-turbo nor on the turbo-down pipe. Are there supposed to be gaskets there?

On a side note, there were a number of imperfections and places that needed improvement in the crossover pipe and down pipe. I don't know why it is never mentioned that those need porting almost as much as the turbo itself.
 

nallj92

Active member
Re: Turbo Gaskets?

nope no gaskets there, yes all the exhuast stuff is smallish considering the whole enigne exh comes together at that point
 

SacDoug

Member
Re: Turbo Gaskets?

Thanks for the reply. I was wondering if not installing the gaskets was another red neck repair from the previous owner. I guess I was just fortunate that the bolts were not rused and all came over reletively easily.

As far as porting the DP and crossover pipe, I am not talking about the size of the opening. There was a chunk of the DP that stuck up off of the flange and obstructed flow. Also, where the two sides of the engine exhaust meet, there is a 1/8" gap between them. I grinded the DP imperfection off and grinded the crossover pipe gap down to a knife edge so that the two sides of the exhaust meet smoothly. Today, I will be smoothing out the pipe's edge inside the DP flange to make a smooth transition for the exhaust gas.

When I get to the turbo, I am going to try to smooth out the flow going to the waste gate flapper. I wish GM had joined the exhaust flow from the waste gate with the main flow going through the turbo a better way. The exhaust has to take a 90* turn to go out the waste gate flapper and then another 90* to get back to the main exhaust flow and another 90* turn to join the exhaust flow. Instead of welding the original hole for the bypassed gas shut, they should have extended the DP to cover that area and make a smooth transition back into the exhaust flow. I'm tempted to cut the weld out and make a dump tube. Too bad I live in Kalifornia and that would get me a very hefty fine. :(
 

Quickstop [UK]

Combating adversyty.
Re: Turbo Gaskets?

Hope this isn't seen as a hijack but.....

When I put a 20G onto my stock downpipe, there is a really loud leak coming from the joint. I can feel the hot exhaust gas coming out.

I have been trying to get some copper sheet to make a gasket, but a friend has advised me to use exhaust sealant. Has anyone got any experience with either? It is a an unpleasant noise sure to be costing me fuel/power/ credibility!

Thanks,

Mark
 

jwaller

Evil Genius/SyTy Guru
Re: Turbo Gaskets?

the 20g has a larger exducer and causes an even larger mismatch in the DP to turbo
 

SacDoug

Member
Re: Turbo Gaskets?

I would not use exhaust sealer. Exhaust sealers are made for mufflers mostly. A turbo gets much hotter than any muffler.

I would go with the copper like you plan only tripple layer it.
 

Quickstop [UK]

Combating adversyty.
Re: Turbo Gaskets?

I have been trying to get copper sheet to make gaskets but it is very hard to find! E -bay?
 

Quickstop [UK]

Combating adversyty.
Re: Turbo Gaskets?

E-Bay rocks!!!

would a copper sheet 300mm x 200mm x .9mm be large enough to cut out a gasket template? What are the dimensions of the turbo?

What about this exducer mismatch....do I need a new exhaust?
 

SacDoug

Member
Re: Turbo Gaskets?

army helo pilot said:
E-Bay rocks!!!

would a copper sheet 300mm x 200mm x .9mm be large enough to cut out a gasket template? What are the dimensions of the turbo?

What about this exducer mismatch....do I need a new exhaust?


It sounds like that might be enough for 1 gasket. To be sure just go out to your truck with a ruler and measure the down pipe coupler on your truck. .9mm sounds like it is decently thick. You may be able to just get by with a 2 layer gasket or if you are in a money pinch, one. With flat metal gaskets it is always best to have multiple layers so that it seals better.

What he is basically saying about the exducer is that the turbine wheel (exhaust side of turbo) on your turbo is larger than the stock wheel. I am not entirely sure that your 20G has a larger turbine wheel or not. Typically a lot of small upgrades such as from the 17C wheel to the 20G wheel only involves swapping the compressor wheel and machining out the compressor housing. If you have a different turbine wheel then the hole coming out of your turbo is bigger than the hole the exhaust is going into on your down pipe. I would recommend porting your stock down pipe to reduce the restriction to your exhaust.

Just to be sure that they do not match, put some grease on your turbo and mate it to your DP. Pull it off and look at where the grease is and is not. That should tell you how well they mate up.

Here is an illistration of the turbine wheel:

turbinewheel.gif
 

Quickstop [UK]

Combating adversyty.
Re: Turbo Gaskets?

basically you are saying I should make the exhaust down pipe a bit wider at the mouth to match?

I ordered enough to make 3 gaskets with the sheet copper : ) 3 x .9 mm = 2.7 mm total..

Now I need to cut the stuff out...might scan it and post it on here for dimensions in case anyone else wants to do it....

We will see...
 

Andreas

New member
Re: Turbo Gaskets?

army helo pilot said:
basically you are saying I should make the exhaust down pipe a bit wider at the mouth to match?

I ordered enough to make 3 gaskets with the sheet copper : ) 3 x .9 mm = 2.7 mm total..

Now I need to cut the stuff out...might scan it and post it on here for dimensions in case anyone else wants to do it....

We will see...


I got a templete for you.
 

Quickstop [UK]

Combating adversyty.
Re: Turbo Gaskets?

awesome! now to try and do it without electricity! The damned army cut the power to my garage....

Thanks man.

Will print it out and see how it goes!!

:)

Mark
 

Quickstop [UK]

Combating adversyty.
Re: Turbo Gaskets?

I got the template from Andreas (thanks mate!) and I have prepared my copper sheet.

I scanned the copper template but cannot get it to appear as a pdf file. Any ideas how to do that?

I want it to print out life size and post it here for reference.

cheers guys
 

Andreas

New member
Re: Turbo Gaskets?

Almost 2000kb big so it's a killer for modems maybe?


http://images.northeastsyty.com/files/BySdownpipe-turbo gasket.JPG

Sorry for that you have to copy and paste the whole link due to me hitting ther space bar between turbo and gasket.

First it looks like you have Antwar on the screen, but zoom in and you see the contours of the downpipe. I drawed it on a piece of brown cardboard that why it got so bad when I scanned it.
 

Quickstop [UK]

Combating adversyty.
Re: Turbo Gaskets?

dammit -

looks like the gaskets I made did not do the job I was hoping. They are very good though but there is a problem with the parts.

The new turbo housing is smooth, but the downpipe is rough because of rust. I am planning on taking the downpipe off next week (girlfriend here this weekend) and using sandpaper or an angle grinder to smooth it on down so that it is flush with the turbo.

Is this ok or has anyone got any other suggestions?
 
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