W2A+A2A

[bezerk]

while i''am thinking about going A2A.
i just wondered if:
annybody tried to still use the A2W,and basically use these 2 setups as 1 intercooler?

might be a wrond idea, but could be worth a Try.

 

[MikeRenz]

the main reason people get rid of the stock intercooler is becuase its the first bottleneck of the stock setup. Using an a2a ic before the a2w would just make it worse since you'd be adding more piping to an existingly crappy setup.

 

[Guest]

Im going to be testing the difference between the stock upper and my ATR upper and see just how much of a difference it makes.

 

[Andreas]

more coolers=colder charged air colder charged air=
For example Ford WRC cars uses watercooled heatexchanger on the inlet side of the a2a IC. Water has a factor of 4.2 to air in cooling.
Just thinking of doing the same thing as you Bezerk.
Keep me posted if you get started with your project.

 

[bezerk]

more coolers=colder charged air colder charged air=
For example Ford WRC cars uses watercooled heatexchanger on the inlet side of the a2a IC. Water has a factor of 4.2 to air in cooling.
Just thinking of doing the same thing as you Bezerk.
Keep me posted if you get started with your project.

please sent me an saab 9000 intercoller, and i will

but that are exactly my thoughts

 

[Andreas]

hehe...sending it right away :wink:

Do you have problem in getting a saab 9000 IC?
They cost around 1500SEK for used ones here in sweden in good/mint condition and around 800-1000 for a little more used ones.
If you have big trouble in getting one contact me and I see what I can get for you.

 

[bezerk]

i can only find the older style intercooler, the newer style is what we want to use, right?

 

[sy538]

So the ford wrc IC goes from turbo to W2A IC to A2A IC to intake? That would work, but I think that a good A2A system would cool the intake air to below what the temp of the upper IC/IC water would be by the end of the run. So the stock W2A would heat the air after the A2A has cooled it. Plus the upper IC has to be very restrictive compared to straight pipe from A2A to upper intake. Don’t get me wrong I think the stock setup is better then people think, I think with enough water running through it, it can support a lot of power, but if you go A2A you don’t need the stock W2A anymore.

 

[Andreas]

Agree. If you got a double Dequick or a double McCoy A2A or any large A2A then the stock Garret exchanger is history, just gone make things worse. The thing is that they cost alot of Dollars
For me as a budget Ty owner I look for some intresting solutions that fits my walet

I thinking of making the tubing (part of it) from the turbo to the Saab A2A IC inlet doublewalled and have a water cooling circuit in it to take the "edge" of the worst heat generated from the turbo.


Hope my welding skills is still there

 

[92Typhoon1679]

Just switched to A2A

Just switched to A2A

I Just Stitched from a ATR upper and a CAS lower intercooler a Very Expensive system to a Kenne Bell Big Boy A2A intercooler. I had to give up my battery location first of all i had to mount it in the trunk. but i gained alot of engine room. plus the power difference is drastic usually the old system would loose Horse power in the upper RPM range where as the A2A system is better it produces More power through out the RPM range and and quicker response too. I payed only $600.00 for the Kenne Bell system Brand new. just keep on looking. actually the kenne bell system is actually Very simple and could be duplicated with easy if you need pics i will be home around the 24th of October and i can send pics if interested

 

[AXXE]

I think A2A is better by itself in our applications. Once the stock A2W unit gets hot, it takes a while to cool down. It probably would not have much of a cooling effect while using an A2A.

 

[nightdiver]

With the Saab intecooler you are going to have less flow area , so more pressure drop. The KB set up is nice but its very short . Driving in traffic makes the small A2As almost useless...take some readings and you will see. I had to add two fans behind the KB A2A and a water spray in the front to make it a little bit better.
Yoy want cooling ? get a big A2A , a real cold air kit ( custom) and the methanol kit and youre done.