One step forward, 2 steps back...

[Loeryder]

Well, took the Ty out for its maiden voyage tonight.
Probably should have just driven it off a cliff or into a bridge but I didn't.

The gas is a year old and it needs plugs.
It does idle and run decently on Pauls starter $59 bin.

Just finished installing the JS 3" DP, haven;t ported the turbo yet b/c I planned on taking the truck closer to the tools needed for the job.
I just wanted to tackle the DP so I knew if it was all going to fit and work out in the end.

So its running a str8 DP and 3" cat, no muffler no pipes, not exactly quiet.

Learning the power steering surges was kicking its ass.
everytime I turned the wheel with the headlights on it died.
It got better the 3rd or 4th time, but those Odyssey batteries don't like lots of start ups.

Idled around and barely pedaled it around warming up.
Stopped to check for leaks and what that smell is coming from under the hood... lol
DP Coating is cooking, antiseize from the turbo bolts is cooking out.

So we tool along, boost up to about 5 PSI and its missing a bit on the old gas and plugs.
I didn't beat on it, just wanted to heat cycle it spin the turbo and burn some fuel off.

We get out on the 2 lane and at 5 PSI let it pull up to about 80.
My turn is coming so I back out of it and notice the tach jump to 2k then back to 1.5 then up again... while we are in D.
There is no engine braking happening.
The trans is not slowing down the truck like it should...

I thought I was missing something so I stopped and checked the fluid.
Looks brand new, smells brand new.
Do a couple more 50 mph cruises letting on and off the pedal trying to get the trans to decel the truck... no dice.
It is acting like its in OD when its in D.

So now my brand new Blake trans with less than 500 miles has no engine braking.
I had an appt tomorrow to get the ac recharged and I had taken off a half day to drain the gas and do plugs wires and cap n rotor. Now I just want to light the Fn thing on fire.

So my anticipation of my new trans, what 2 years ago now, then my new L35 heads , ported upper and lower intakes, ported TB combo, then the JS DP WBo2 and Ostrich to look forward to and now something else is broken before I even got to enjoy any of it.

F this S I am going to bed... I have to Fn work tomorrow to go pay for all this crap...

 

[autoaddictions]

Re: One step forward, 2 steps back...

Hang in there man !!!! My ty didnt make it out of the garage on the first go around. One thing at a time. You'll get it.

 

[Jimmy]

Re: One step forward, 2 steps back...

That sucks.

Did you shift it into Drive while you were in Overdrive and driving? IMO that will cause the sprag to flip.

 

[blktyphoon]

Re: One step forward, 2 steps back...

Well, took the Ty out for its maiden voyage tonight.
Probably should have just driven it off a cliff or into a bridge but I didn't.

The gas is a year old and it needs plugs.
It does idle and run decently on Pauls starter $59 bin.

Just finished installing the JS 3" DP, haven;t ported the turbo yet b/c I planned on taking the truck closer to the tools needed for the job.
I just wanted to tackle the DP so I knew if it was all going to fit and work out in the end.

So its running a str8 DP and 3" cat, no muffler no pipes, not exactly quiet.

Learning the power steering surges was kicking its ass.
everytime I turned the wheel with the headlights on it died.
It got better the 3rd or 4th time, but those Odyssey batteries don't like lots of start ups.

Idled around and barely pedaled it around warming up.
Stopped to check for leaks and what that smell is coming from under the hood... lol
DP Coating is cooking, antiseize from the turbo bolts is cooking out.

So we tool along, boost up to about 5 PSI and its missing a bit on the old gas and plugs.
I didn't beat on it, just wanted to heat cycle it spin the turbo and burn some fuel off.

We get out on the 2 lane and at 5 PSI let it pull up to about 80.
My turn is coming so I back out of it and notice the tach jump to 2k then back to 1.5 then up again... while we are in D.
There is no engine braking happening.
The trans is not slowing down the truck like it should...

I thought I was missing something so I stopped and checked the fluid.
Looks brand new, smells brand new.
Do a couple more 50 mph cruises letting on and off the pedal trying to get the trans to decel the truck... no dice.
It is acting like its in OD when its in D.

So now my brand new Blake trans with less than 500 miles has no engine braking.
I had an appt tomorrow to get the ac recharged and I had taken off a half day to drain the gas and do plugs wires and cap n rotor. Now I just want to light the Fn thing on fire.

So my anticipation of my new trans, what 2 years ago now, then my new L35 heads , ported upper and lower intakes, ported TB combo, then the JS DP WBo2 and Ostrich to look forward to and now something else is broken before I even got to enjoy any of it.

F this S I am going to bed... I have to Fn work tomorrow to go pay for all this crap...

I feel you bro my ty used to die out all the time for no reason,i checked the fuel press and everything, on time i was out on a date and BAM she took a shit on me i had to push er into a spot i was soo embarassed lol i wanted to burn the thing bit in time i found out it was the ecm. things always get better im glad i stuck through it.

 

[jjorgensen52]

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First time I drove my Ty I dipped into it and got 1 psi before it died on me... blew the ECM-B for some reason.... Then, my RPM race built tranny only made it through 800 miles or so before I blew that up too. :lol:

 

[Daron]

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Jas'

I know your pain, to a lesser extent. It is always something. My Syclone is running ok, fixing the small things when I have time. Drove it to work and back (60 mile round trip) a few times since January. Weather starts warming up and I get my AC going. I think I am pretty pimptastic; got the tranny computer shifting things right, engine is running good, and now AC! Well that lasted about 2 weeks when I was rewarded with a smoke show and a seized compressor. Bastards...

 

[phoonTy]

Re: One step forward, 2 steps back...

Jas', your trans issue sounds just like mine. My tach does the same "bounce" and there's no engine braking. I will be watching to see what you find out for sure.

 

[Loeryder]

Re: One step forward, 2 steps back...

Well from what I gather the trans has to come back out AND get opened up.

It's either a valve or the overrun clutch piston seal cracked. My bet is that the overrun piston seal just split from sitting.

No engine braking in D can mean the sprag slipped, the over run clutches are toast or the piston seal is damaged.
Those are just the things that have been suggested to me so far.

I am looking for someone locally that can open the trans and take a peak inside for me.

Just to clarify, Blake built the trans for Scott at Detroit Turbo who then sold it to me.
I am embarrassed to even admit what i have into it at this point.
I need to go dig out my build info.

 

[turbodig]

Re: One step forward, 2 steps back...

Well, took the Ty out for its maiden voyage tonight.
Probably should have just driven it off a cliff or into a bridge but I didn't.


Learning the power steering surges was kicking its ass.
everytime I turned the wheel with the headlights on it died.
It got better the 3rd or 4th time, but those Odyssey batteries don't like lots of start ups.

Bump the 400 RPM area of the F29x table by 10-15... that'll help that.

Idled around and barely pedaled it around warming up.
Stopped to check for leaks and what that smell is coming from under the hood... lol
DP Coating is cooking, antiseize from the turbo bolts is cooking out.

So we tool along, boost up to about 5 PSI and its missing a bit on the old gas and plugs.
I didn't beat on it, just wanted to heat cycle it spin the turbo and burn some fuel off.

We get out on the 2 lane and at 5 PSI let it pull up to about 80.
My turn is coming so I back out of it and notice the tach jump to 2k then back to 1.5 then up again... while we are in D.
There is no engine braking happening.
The trans is not slowing down the truck like it should...

I thought I was missing something so I stopped and checked the fluid.
Looks brand new, smells brand new.
Do a couple more 50 mph cruises letting on and off the pedal trying to get the trans to decel the truck... no dice.
It is acting like its in OD when its in D.

So now my brand new Blake trans with less than 500 miles has no engine braking.
I had an appt tomorrow to get the ac recharged and I had taken off a half day to drain the gas and do plugs wires and cap n rotor. Now I just want to light the Fn thing on fire.

Wow.... that's a heck of a conclusion to jump to. It could be lots of things.

I assume you have some sort of a converter. The higher the stall you have, the less engine braking you're going to see. That's just the way they are.

Lock the converter with a paper clip, and see how it acts. Try some manual downshifts at 40, 30, etc.

High idle/IAC things can also make this appear to happen.

 

[Loeryder]

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I am trying to hash it out as well as I can only having a limited understanding of trans.

I do have a converter, 3k stall hughes, brand new, went in with the trans.

I will try locking the converter manually and see what it does next.

 

[kwick6]

Re: One step forward, 2 steps back...

PM sent

 

[turbodig]

Re: One step forward, 2 steps back...

I am trying to hash it out as well as I can only having a limited understanding of trans.

I do have a converter, 3k stall hughes, brand new, went in with the trans.

I will try locking the converter manually and see what it does next.

I guess what I'm saying is don't panic yet. It might just be a combination of getting the tune a bit better, and adjusting to how the converter and trans operates.

I've been through the SyTy roller coaster a few times... it gets better, eventually.

Cheer up - yours is up and around... mine's still apart.

 

[Loeryder]

Re: One step forward, 2 steps back...

Will do!

I plan on driving it some more and getting a few opinions before I do something dramatic like yank the trans AGAIN!

It's just so disheartening to work on this thing day in and day out and nothing ever seems to go my way.
I am buying powerball tix on the way home in hopes of being able to afford that 80e.

 

[MikeRenz]

Re: One step forward, 2 steps back...

Will do!

I plan on driving it some more and getting a few opinions before I do something dramatic like yank the trans AGAIN!

It's just so disheartening to work on this thing day in and day out and nothing ever seems to go my way.
I am buying powerball tix on the way home in hopes of being able to afford that 80e.

80e's are cheap. They're only like $321 :lol:

 

[Loeryder]

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except no one is giving one away this year its just another 700R timebomb or TymBom if u read my plate...

One more reason to stay home and save my money... lol

 

[MikeRenz]

Re: One step forward, 2 steps back...

Sounds like you need a hug. :lol:

Just trailer it. We should have a meet where everyone trailers non working trucks - see how many we can compile in 1 lot.

 

[skwayb]

Re: One step forward, 2 steps back...

Like Dig said it could be tune. I had a very similar thing happen when we were first starting on $59. I had no engine braking. Ended up being a very bad tune. My Tune is very generic and might need to be tweaked for your ty. Didyou get your DIY-WBo2 controller hooked up? If so I would get some logs and use Autotune on it to see what changes it is suggesting. If there is a huge difference from my Bin in the cruise area, then it is probably the tune.

 

[Loeryder]

Re: One step forward, 2 steps back...

Yeah I am not going to go cry all ass hurt just yet.

I am going tonight and poking around some more.

I haven't run the wires for the WB yet, so hopefully this is going to get me a little more motivated instead of making me give up.

Paul, the bin I am running is your $59 starter for stock injectors.
Will be doing 50#s soon so I haven't gotten the wb and set up for auto tune just yet.
My dell laptop is having trouble uploading and verifying BINs so I am having to bring the box inside and up them at my desk.

I do have a Hughes 3k stall converter that was brand new went in with the trans.
Could that high of stall be part of the cause?
Chose that one to get the 20G/14cm I already had on the truck to spool up quicker.

Can you recommend any changes to the bin simply based on the differences between my mods and what the start bin had in mind?

short list:
L35s heads, ported upper lower intakes, 52mm ported TB, 20G/14, 3" JSM DP, DIY WB, KB A/A, SMC meth, stock cam stock bottom end.

All I need for Nats is drivability!
I am not racing dynoing or beating on my truck, well ok maybe a tad here n there...

 

[alwayscode390]

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This is one of the reasons its taking me so long to break open the stock engine, lol. It runs like a TOP ...I am just having suspension problems!!!! I think I am going for a fully rebuilt suspension, and a tune up....then a rebuilt engine when shit blows up ( it just sucks having ported heads, nitrided crank, r.rockers, custom cam, a 63 turbo, meth, ect ect just sitting around, lol ) .... I just enjoy it RUNNING lol ---

 

[George Blake]

Re: One step forward, 2 steps back...

In your PM you didn't tell me you were still tuning the truck. Try to get that worked out first before you pull the trans. Even if the overrun clutches have been damaged or the seal split, your not gonna hurt the rest of the trans. The sprag did NOT flip. If it did you would NOT be able to move from a stop in OD.

Have them help you get a better tune and work your way up from there. It dyno'd fine but sat for a long time. I was concerned it basically had issues from just sitting. It may not have anything wrong with it. Get the tune right and then take it to a shop and have them put a pressure gauge on it and see what it's doing.
Now if you did a bunch of TV cable adjusting, that can burn up the overruns if the pressures were way too high or too low. But I doubt that has happened.
Yes the 700 is a ticking timebomb. Syty's make a ton of torque but make sure you have everything else in order first before blaming the trans.....I've had everything blamed on me. Truck shakes...gotta be the trans.
Shakes at idle....gotta be the trans.
Shakes when I lock it up.....gotta be the trans.
(BTW, every one of these guys eventually found out it wasn't the trans).
Truth is a lot of different things can make you unhappy and it may not have anything to do with the trans but it's easy to blame. It's the most mysterious part of the truck. It's gotta be its fault when somethign ain't right...Right? Couple guys on here have experienced the identical situation as you and it turned out NOT to be the trans. See if they can help you out first.