What should I do with the Syclone?

InvisiBill

Active member
Hey everyone! It's been a while, but I'm still around...

For some background, I bought Syclone 1456 in early '01 with 77k on it. I daily drove it for a number of years, getting it up over 200k (not sure exactly, the odometer broke and won't seem to stay fixed). I had the standard small stuff fail and I generally used "stock plus" replacement parts - I wasn't looking to make a racer, but I went with better stuff when it was available. Hotwired Jabsco, Racetronix harness on a Walbro, Ostrich with a mostly-stock program, etc. The transmission failed on me at 120k, and I had a local guy rebuild it. He seemed like he knew what he was doing, but I found out shortly afterwards that he didn't. Had it redone by Blake after that. I hit a deer and did some minor damage to the right side, which AAA got fixed up.

I hit another deer which took out pretty much the entire left side. A coworker's brother has a body shop, and I got a deal on doing the rest of the truck along with fixing the left side. Unfortunately, I got what I paid for, and years later I'm still waiting on him. At one point I took it to another (AAA-approved) shop, and they quoted me about $8,000 to do it right, compared to the original quote of about $4,500 that he got (which was a bit low, due to incorrect parts listed on it). In the meantime, the engine blew too. I assume I broke a rod, which spun around and put a hole in each side of the oilpan where it meets the block.

I didn't have a ton of extra cash, and thinking about the body situation just pissed me off, so I've sort of just ignored the whole thing for a while. I'm now getting to a point where I'm getting other stuff paid off and would be able to put some money into getting the truck fixed up right. I don't have $10,000 cash to drop on it or anything, but I'm basing my plans on something like the RPM stock-level engine. Once again, I'm not looking for an all-out racer, but I wouldn't mind something a little better than stock.

Should I bother with restoring 1456? I have a sentimental attachment to her, but I'm also a very logical person. If I can sell her to someone else who can do a proper restoration and use the money toward just buying a new SyTy, I may be better off that way. On the other hand, I feel like I'd be doing a lot of the same basic mods over again to get right back to where I used to be. I'm not even completely against a part-out that would help save other trucks. The transmission's housing got cracked so that was swapped, and I'm guessing the engine block is damaged, so I'm not worried about matching numbers and being all stock at this point. Would it make more sense to go with a more standard platform like the LSx? I do still feel like I'd have to keep a turbo on a SyTy even with a V8 swap. I don't really have the knowledge to do engine work myself, so I'm not sure how realistic something like this is without getting insanely expensive.

I miss my truck, but I'm not sure how to get back to where I was 10 years ago. What do you guys think?
 

Norm

Donating Member
Re: What should I do with the Syclone?

Well, I think one of the members has a engine for sale (T-Bone)http://www.syty.net/forums/showthread.php?t=94156
unless it's sold already. But I would get another bullet and drop it in.

As for the body, watch the forumns or put up a wanted parts post and see what comes your way. Cladding prices are insane for some of the peices, others are not to bad. How rusty is it? If it is really bad you might want to part it out and save up the money for another driver if a deal comes around.
 

InvisiBill

Active member
Re: What should I do with the Syclone?

Body rust isn't really the issue at this point...

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The problem is that the paintjob is pretty poor quality when you really look at it. Cladding should be taken care of by the shop as part of the deer repair, but actually getting it to happen (properly) may be an issue.

The underlying issue is 200,000+ miles of Great Lakes weather (WI/MI truck). To really fix it up what I see as the right way, I'd have to tear it completely apart and redo everything. I'm expecting that to be a lot of labor or cash on my part.

Thanks for the link though. That's a much easier amount to do. Like I'm figuring out how much gas to TN would cost... That plus a little more could get her running again, which is a huge leap from the current situation.
 

skipztt

boost
Re: What should I do with the Syclone?

put it together with what u have already and drive it...

**** the paint..
 

Adam#0213

This truck is awesome!!
Re: What should I do with the Syclone?

If you got the time to fix her up I would do that for sure.If not I would look at buying another one and part out the one you got it depends on how you feel about the truck.
 

Turbotoyz

Member
Re: What should I do with the Syclone?

Wow, Bill, I remember you from when I had my second Ty in 2002. Been a long time, I went by a different handle then. Oh well, nice to see you back.

Tough call, sentimental value v. cash value
 

Logan

Member
Re: What should I do with the Syclone?

I vote fix it and do it right. Sentiment is half the reason we put up with these bastard child rattle traps. I hope you save it. Keep us posted.
 

qbnkiller

Conflaguration Specialist
Re: What should I do with the Syclone?

Hi Invisibill..I think you were the one who left a note on my naked typhoon back in 2002.

If you feel like having some performance work done, we are out here in Muskegon,Mi and are ready to help.

Drop me a line and we can talk about your needs/plans

Alex
 

sharkbait

New member
Re: What should I do with the Syclone?

i was just thinking about my vegas a sold. i regret it. if you have history with the truck, keep it. fix it or dow whatever you want to it. you'll be doing the same to a new truck. and you know we love those surprise that the previous owner left you with.
 

hatrik8

Donating Member
Re: What should I do with the Syclone?

If you have the time to work on it, I would say keep it.
Time is money, but time is more valuable than money to some people.

If you get something new/different you won't have the history/sentimental value. You also won't know the past of the new truck
 

warmpancakes

New member
Re: What should I do with the Syclone?

is the truck together like the bottom picture, or are the panels off? Keep it bill you know you want too and glad to see you back
 

TY0618

Member
Re: What should I do with the Syclone?

I vote fix it. There weren enough of these trucks to go around to begin with.
 

dgoodhue

BuSTeD 4.3
Re: What should I do with the Syclone?

I will go against the sentiment here. You have a worn out 200k+ truck with blown motor and it needs $$$$ for paint job, cladding and body work. I would buy another 70-80k mile Syclone and drive that. It will be cheaper to buy a different Syclone and will not have 200k miles after its repaired. Sell 1456 to someone who wants to make a project out if it. LS swaps are big money.
 

Flyin Ryan

hated cuz he drives fords
Re: What should I do with the Syclone?

Wow I remember your post from way back... glad to see your back

The options I thought up right away were :

A: Take your time and spend the money/time in properly restoring the truck... problem there would be you'd be scared to drive and enjoy the thing once it's completed many years later.

B: Buy a motor.. the one from TBONE would be a good deal and get the truck rolling.. just drive it with the not soo good paint and enjoy it then later on pickup another sy (since there value is keeps going down) to be a garage queen.

C: Buy my truck and drive/enjoy it while you part out or sit on your current truck :)
 

SEL777

One of 101
Re: What should I do with the Syclone?

fix it, and if you need a longblock I have one and am in NW IL
 

InvisiBill

Active member
Re: What should I do with the Syclone?

It was late so I was a bit rambly before. I'll try to clear some things up...

http://www.syty.net/forums/showthread.php?t=58826 is from when the repairs started happening after the deer. http://www.syty.net/forums/showthread.php?t=66391 is the thread where the engine went.

is the truck together like the bottom picture, or are the panels off? Keep it bill you know you want too and glad to see you back

It's basically exactly the same as it was at Homecoming a few years ago. It's all together, just missing a few pieces of cladding and having some issues with the repair work that was done (I think you're the one who pointed out that the hole in the rocker cladding had been ripped out, so that piece should be replaced too).

Technically the insurance should cover all the body repairs and it's still "in progress". However, getting the guy to finish it and do a decent job may be a bit of a hassle. The adjuster's quote apparently listed non-SyTy parts (Cameo or something, I assume) so it was for less than it should have been. I think the guy saw the dollar signs and got greedy. According to AAA, he cashed the check (which they said is the equivalent of signing off that he completed the work) a couple weeks after the accident. I'm not sure what it'll take to get things straightened out when I tell him he needs to go buy $2,000 worth of cladding that he most likely won't be able to get back from AAA (since he already cashed the check and he's dragged his ass for years on this). Since it's not a AAA-approved shop, they basically just told me I'm on my own; I thought they'd like to know about shops ripping them and/or their customers off, but I guess not. I haven't pressed the issue much with him, as the whole thing just frustrates me, especially with the engine problems. I need to just get things straightened out, whatever that takes.

Around the time of Homecoming, I took it to another shop just to get an idea what it would cost me if I just gave up on him and decided to cut my losses and get it fixed right elsewhere. That's where the ~$8,000 quote came from. Combine that with ~$4,000 for a motor from RPM, and I was looking at $12,000 to end up with a 200k+ truck. While there's sentiment and the fact that I'm very familiar with 1456, it just doesn't make sense to me for that price. That cost would be just for the engine and body, not even a full restoration, so a lot of the parts would still end up being old and unreliable, like Dave said. I'd love to have 1456 restored to like-new condition, but I'm pretty sure I don't have the expertise or cash to make that happen.

Looking back on it, I wish I would've found a way to spend a little more when the accident happened. I should've taken it to the other shop (they did great work on the right fender from the previous deer) and paid a little more (I paid him extra to do the right side since he was already doing over half the truck) to have it done right. In my eyes, his shortcuts and cheapness screwed up my truck.

I'm waiting to hear back from T-Bone about the engine. That sort of changed my whole outlook on the situation. If I can get that engine, and get the shop to do a halfway-decent job finishing up the body work, I can at least have a drivable Syclone again for relatively cheap. It won't be a perfect show truck or anything, but I doubt it ever would be without spending a lot of cash restoring it. I have been looking at the trucks for sale (including yours, Ryan), in case that doesn't work out or if I decide I want to put the money into having a better truck.

Even with all the miles, I'm hoping that I could sell it for a few grand if I get a running engine in there and get the body decent again. It should make a nice project base for someone with more skills than I have, or a cheap "real Syclone" for someone having a hard time getting into one. That'd make a nice down payment on a nicer truck for me. Now that I have a garage and other vehicles to DD, any Sy I bought would have a much more sheltered life and see way fewer miles (my commute is now about 5k/year, while I was averaging over 30k/year in the Sy for a while). I got nearly 150,000 miles of enjoyment (and other stuff) from the truck on top of the 77,000 it had when I bought it. I'm willing to accept it if 1456 has hit the end of its life. Last resort, worst case scenario, I'd part it out to help keep other trucks on the road.
 

InvisiBill

Active member
Re: What should I do with the Syclone?

It looks like someone else got T-Bone's engine. I'm still looking at SEL777's.


if you get the motor, let me know more than happy to come help install

I'm sure I'll need the help. I'm also thinking I might pull the old one out soon and ship the rest of the truck off to the body shop. That would also let me get the Saturn out of the garage to give me a little more room (along with buttoning the Vulcan back up and getting it sold to my buddy). I don't currently have a hoist, stand, or any other tools specifically for pulling an engine.


Looking at another option, how much do you think I could get for the truck without replacing the engine, assuming I can get the guy to replace all the missing cladding and get it painted up decently? Obviously not a show truck, but it should be a good 10 footer at least. It should make a nice base for someone wanting to do a not-so-stock build and/or who could do their own bodywork.
 
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