Converting to an "On-The-Block" Oil Filter

[Don W.]

Re: Converting to an "On-The-Block" Oil Filter

Thanks Don, I think i'm pulling the motor next month due to leaking head studs and I had a couple other random problem i need to look into so when its out i'm going to clean it all up and really check over it. So those threads int the block are tapered.. I don't know that the fittings i'm using a truly a tapered fitting... I'm using whatever pipe thread was the same the summit sells. Do you guys have a part number for a propper fitting etc?

Ya, gotta be careful. Pipe thread is tapered (that's how it works, there's even a little more to it than that) anyway. if you look closely at the fitting you'll see the taper. That adapter is a good example to learn from. Straight threads on one end, taper on the other.

 

[4C FED]

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Will measure and snap more pics tomorrow.

Thanks. I want to see if you could fit a 6.25" tall x 3" dia. CM filter. Otherwise I'll go with the shorty that is 4.25" tall.

 

[brock1949]

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Ya, gotta be careful. Pipe thread is tapered (that's how it works, there's even a little more to it than that) anyway. if you look closely at the fitting you'll see the taper. That adapter is a good example to learn from. Straight threads on one end, taper on the other.

I know pipe threads are normally tappered but i keep running into this weird strait pipe threat stuff on some of the fittings i'm getting. My eliminator pump suposidly has pipe thread but its strait and uses an o ring etc. The fittings always thread right in by finger and i never want to pull on them because so far all of them i've had have been aluminum, one might have been steel now that i think about it .

Anyone know of a part number or who can sell me a fitting thats 100% the right one, I might end up blocking it off and putting a T off the oil pressure sensor or something I have a buddy who runs his turbo that way now.

 

[Ty#365]

Re: Converting to an "On-The-Block" Oil Filter

bypass valve? thats in the filter right? or is it an actual part? and does anyone have a part number for sure?

 

[Tyclone]

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for those still interested, just ask for a filter for a 2006 silverado with a 4.3. My fullsize came with the little filter and a 4.5 quart oil capacity. I just use the longer s-series filter on my truck and fill with 5 quarts.

 

[Bad Ass Black Trucks]

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I know pipe threads are normally tappered but i keep running into this weird strait pipe threat stuff on some of the fittings i'm getting. My eliminator pump suposidly has pipe thread but its strait and uses an o ring etc. The fittings always thread right in by finger and i never want to pull on them because so far all of them i've had have been aluminum, one might have been steel now that i think about it .

Anyone know of a part number or who can sell me a fitting thats 100% the right one, I might end up blocking it off and putting a T off the oil pressure sensor or something I have a buddy who runs his turbo that way now.

The straight thread fittings you are referring to, that go into your Aeromotive fuel pump, are -A/N to O-Ring Boss (ORB) fittings. One side is -A/N while the other has straight threads and an o-ring to seal the fitting. -A/N actually comes from Army/Navy because they were originally utilized in military applications, particularly on aircraft. They became popular in the automotive world because they work well. My fuel filters also required ORB fittings, but I have not seen ORB fittings used in many other places.

 

[Bad Ass Black Trucks]

Re: Converting to an "On-The-Block" Oil Filter

I know pipe threads are normally tappered but i keep running into this weird strait pipe threat stuff on some of the fittings i'm getting. My eliminator pump suposidly has pipe thread but its strait and uses an o ring etc.

Aeromotive shows the eliminator uses -12 ORB inlet and -10 ORB outlet fittings on the eliminator not NPT.

http://aeromotiveinc.com/products-page/fuel-pumps/11104-eliminator-fuel-pump/

You also need to keep a -12 feed to that bad boy and have an extrememly low restriction filter before the pump otherwise it will cavitate. The filter after the pump can be a regular, high flow fuel filter.

 

[Ty 1885]

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I have a question, the bypass valve is pressed in on the block, the filter adapter fits right below it (keeping it from coming out). What is keeping the valve from coming out (other than being pressed in) if you remove the filter adapter and install filter to the block ?

 

[Don W.]

Re: Converting to an "On-The-Block" Oil Filter

I'd have to look. It may be "staked." meaning there are 2 or 3 punch marks around the edge of the hole pushing a small amount of metal out over the retainer keeping it in place.

Regarding the fitting that supplies oil to the turbo here's a link that shows it well.

http://www.dultmeier.com/catalog/0.763.764.3384

An AN fitting will look the same but the angle of the flare is different and they are not interchangeable. The pipe thread end requires some sort of sealant. Personally I don't like Teflon tape but that's just me. The other end is metal-to-metal at the flare and putting any kind of sealant on the threads accomplishes nothing. The flare end will leak for two common reasons. Worn out from being off and on to many times and/or a hairline crack in the flare on the line. (Not usually the fitting.) The flare on the line will commonly crack due to vibration.

 

[4C FED]

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I pried mine out.
IIRC, there is a ring that holds the valve in place. It won't ever fall out even if you remove the filter adapter.

 

[4C FED]

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I think if I recall it looked like this only bent up a lot.

 

[canadian]

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Has anybody done this conversion with the engine still in the truck? The other question about the part that rick posted above (does a stock SyTy NOT have this part in the block)? I'd love to do this conversion and get rid of the remote oil lines, but if I'm trying to hammer some fitting into a hole while on my back under the truck, I don't think I have the confidence that I won't screw it up.

I noticed that s10blaza makes no mention of the bypass spring in the block in this post. JagsThatRun has this pdf that instructs swappers to simply remove the screw on filter from the adapter with a 10mm allen wrench and then screw it into the block. No mention of having to add a bypass into the block itself.

 

[sytyguy]

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Did my Syclone in the truck.....Typhoon on the engine stand.

 

[canadian]

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Did my Syclone in the truck.....Typhoon on the engine stand.

So you had to put the bypass spring in since it didn't have one from the factory? Wonder why JTR never mentions it in their PDF.

 

[sytyguy]

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^ What Dave said. I mention in my OP that I had a bypass valve already in my block.

 

[canadian]

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^ What Dave said. I mention in my OP that I had a bypass valve already in my block.

Yes, but then it mentions (if you don't have this). Since you were working on a block outside of the truck I figured that maybe the machine shop had installed it after doing the work on the block. Ok, problem solved. It's there, so all we need to do is remove the 2 screws holding the remote line adapter on, take it off, then screw the fitting into the block, run a short filter and life is grand!

Big thanks to both Dave and Mike for clearing this up for me. Hopefully it will also help clear up the engine compartment on the truck!

 

[sytyguy]

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My reference was for all Sy/Ty/T-Series, etc....and I wasn't sure if ALL had the bypass. I knew that SyTys did, but didn't want to make that assumption for all 4WDs in case someone tore their '90 Blazer apart expecting the bypass valve to be there. I suspect it should be, but wasn't sure.

 

[blackty]

Re: Converting to an "On-The-Block" Oil Filter

Adapter and short filter, that's it...Jim

 

[Black Knight]

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Is there a torque spec for the 14081300? The dealer was willing to help figure it out.

 

[Black Knight]

Re: Converting to an "On-The-Block" Oil Filter

Thank you, didn't even think to look there.